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Message-ID: <CAG06nRm6jjbZ3iR0DvOCpdS9Tvz3xrbec7n7tBORkZhmpE7Jyg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:32:46 -0500
From: Laurelai Storm <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: GloW - XD <doomxd@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN provider helped track down alleged
LulzSec member
Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p
On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd@...il.com> wrote:
> Hello Laurelai ,
> Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know
> where, legally, i stand anymore...
> It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela.
> I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just
> happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and privacy, in my
> channel on efnet, first as i saw it.
>
> Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a huge torrent
> site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but by the
> frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely.
>
> This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is 'anon' and what
> isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all.
> To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing places like
> Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to politics, whom
in
> turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i think this is
> the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or whoever was apart
of
> it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs.
> Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but not alone by
> being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout now..and, that
is
> every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module
> m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without realising,
asked
> a friend, to code for them.
> This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the module running
now.
> So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode to it :s look
at
> what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced drinemon and a
> bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked out with
> words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this is mutual
> Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, expect the
same.
> Respect for respect dear.
> I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, am not
holding
> 9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, over one idiotic
> kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, i want that,
> to be laid rest now.. please.
> And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will prevail and
> hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some way, wether
> that be by showing people email interaction with requester's of peoples
> info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard for VPN, I do
> not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly
that,without
> political interaction and grey areas about who and what is now legal and
not
> legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites.
> ok, thats plenty, cheers!
> xd
>
>
> On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote:
>>
>> Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma.
>> On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l@...il.com> wrote:
>> > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;)
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD <doomxd@...il.com> wrote:
>> >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
>> >> hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why do
>> ppl
>> >> tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not...
>> >> ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks)
>> >> xd
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn
>> >> <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But seeing as
it
>> is
>> >>> an international investigation many people have been bending over
>> backwards
>> >>> to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's of
choice
>> for
>> >>> them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite channel
on
>> that
>> >>> IRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as "Part of
>> LulzSec".
>> >>>
>> >>> TL;DR, this is nothing new.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm <
laurelai@...echan.org
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader@...il.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec@...il.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>>
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html
>> >>>> > Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looks as if
>> >>>> > they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and the FBI
have
>> no
>> >>>> > jurisdiction in the UK.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Jeff
>> >>>> >
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>> From my understanding they used the channel as a possible recruitment
>> ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of lulzsec , i find
it
>> disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc channel
tantamount
>> to being a part of lulzsec.
>>
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