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Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 23:09:12 +1000
From: xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com>
To: Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

Good q,
I think B and C would have some juristiction, depending on crime impact ofc.
yes indeed, if one of those countries is say USA and the hacker has used X
to rip off A for huge huge amounts of say crecitcard injections... then
forsure something is there, or, they would make it on the spot i am sure, if
it were usa :)
I wonder though, about australia, and uk and some other  smaller countries,
they may not... wich is, the greyish area still... but, i think it is crime
impact on this one, and country a or b, being a power,politically,press
wise, especially..
It is a good case to watch the Assange, as theyre basically doing just that
now with him, creating the laws needed to create the extraditions... or so i
believe.
Although his case is abit cloudy , the rape being connected with, wikilkeaks
for example..
But, that is where they make things up even, to create press,crime
impact/victim impact, is taramount.
regards,
xd

On 1 October 2011 23:03, Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com>wrote:

> Quick question regarding the extradition stuff. Say hacker X was caught in
> country A, for cyber crimes in country A, but had also comitted crimes
> against servers in countries B and C. Would B and C have any right to
> extradite him/her or would they merely be tried for said crimes in country
> A? (assuming country A brought them to trial in the end).
>
> Anyone have a definitive answer?
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:50 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:16:11 +1000, xD 0x41 said:
>>
>> > As you also said, murder is a no brainer in any place...well, maybe not
>> iraq
>> > or afghanistan just yet :P lol..
>>
>> Iraq, for all its problems, is still a place with a somewhat functional
>> judicial system. The court system may be broken, but you in general *will*
>> at
>> least appear in a courtroom with a judge and be pronounced guilty before
>> you're
>> punished.
>>
>> I was actually thinking more along the lines of  totally failed states
>> such as
>> Somalia, Sudan, or the contested parts of Afghanistan, where you can't be
>> tried
>> for murder because there isn't a court to try you *in*.
>>
>>
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