Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 07:40:06 -0500
From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

On 10/4/2011 7:36 AM, doc mombasa wrote:
> well here in denmark they are also "blocked"
> but as most other places it's a block on DNS level so it's very easy
> to get around
>
> 2011/10/4 xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com <mailto:secn3t@...il.com>>
>
>     On the piratebay.org <http://piratebay.org> dilemma for isps, i
>     found this posted just *now* (10pm,australian time)
>
>     Belgian ISPs Ordered To Block The Pirate Bay -
>     http://feed.torrentfreak.com/~r/Torrentfreak/~3/FMfrUHk1sZM/
>     <http://feed.torrentfreak.com/%7Er/Torrentfreak/%7E3/FMfrUHk1sZM/>
>
>     Interesting developments regarding this.. I am using the RSS feed
>     on TF to keepup qwith this case.... seems it has taken a sharp u-turn!
>     headsup!
>     xd
>
>
>
>
>     On 4 October 2011 18:06, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@...il.com
>     <mailto:tyra3l@...il.com>> wrote:
>
>         http://vpn.hidemyass.com/vpncontrol/legal.html
>
>         "VPN Data
>
>         What we store: Time stamp and IP address when you connect and
>         disconnect to our service."
>
>         ...
>
>         "Legalities
>
>         Anonymity services such as ours do not exist to hide people from
>         illegal activity. We will cooperate with law enforcement
>         agencies if
>         it has become evident that your account has been used for illegal
>         activities."
>
>         people should read the TOC, AUP and privacy policy especially
>         if they
>         are planning to use that service for illegal activities.
>
>         As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider
>         will
>         risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would
>         try it
>         for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not
>         surprised that they bent.
>
>         On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com
>         <mailto:secn3t@...il.com>> wrote:
>         > maybe they are law abiding companies? :)
>         >
>         > Who were advertising themselves, and acting like they would
>         NEVER do the
>         > dirty by handing over any payment records etc... wich is
>         half the reason i
>         > believe the people use theose ones, advertising to protect
>         you.. not to give
>         > your infos up, for really, no reason. as they did.
>         > Law abiding or not, then they should be advertising as a law
>         abiding
>         > company, and not acting like some hackers-oparadise vpn service.
>         > xd
>         >
>         >
>         > On 4 October 2011 06:16, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@...il.com
>         <mailto:tyra3l@...il.com>> wrote:
>         >>
>         >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Laurelai
>         <laurelai@...echan.org <mailto:laurelai@...echan.org>> wrote:
>         >> > On 10/3/2011 10:42 AM, Antony widmal wrote:
>         >> >> Using an external VPN provider to cover your trace
>         clearly shows your
>         >> >> incompetency and your idiot assumption.
>         >> >> Trying to blame the VPN provider rather than accepting
>         your mistake
>         >> >> and learning from it clearly show your 3 years old
>         mentality.
>         >> >>
>         >> >> Also, could you please stop posting as GLOW Xd as well ?
>         >> >> We do not need your schizophrenic script kiddie
>         "lolololol", "xD",
>         >> >> hugs,  spamming on this mailing list.
>         >> >>
>         >> >> You being on this mailing list is once again not the
>         best idea.
>         >> >>
>         >> >> Thanks,
>         >> >> Antony
>         >> > Actually XD and me are two different people. Second
>         issues of privacy
>         >> > are always relevant, not understanding that law abiding
>         individuals
>         >> > should always be concerned about companies that hand over
>         personal info
>         >> > at the request of an authority figure are the ones with
>         three year old
>         >> > mentalities.
>         >>
>         >> maybe they are law abiding companies? :)
>         >> this whole fuss wouldn't have happened, if everybody could
>         just stay a
>         >> law abiding citizen.
>         >>
>         >> --
>         >> Ferenc Kovács
>         >> @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
>         >>
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>
>         --
>         Ferenc Kovács
>         @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
>
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It also just tends to increase TPB's traffic in the long run.

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