full-disclosure - Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

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Message-ID: <CAJVRA1T7t++LRUn8Jh1cAoAw_q2uuBcMnHPKR6zLm5xVsBKB4A@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:26:46 -0700
From: coderman <coderman@...il.com>
To: secn3t@...il.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, Laurelai <Laurelai@...echan.org>
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
> ...
> This is where, as i was saying... a shell owner/employee, could easily make
> any police run in circles simply trying to get a decent tap on something...

yeah, then they just take whole provider, e.g.:

"On Sept. 22nd, Microsoft filed for an ex parte temporary restraining
order from the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of
Virginia against Dominique Alexander Piatti, dotFREE Group SRO and
John Does 1-22. The court granted our request, allowing us to sever
the known connections between the Kelihos botnet and the individual
“zombie computers” under its control. Immediately following the
takedown on Sept. 26th, we served Dominique Alexander Piatti, who was
living and operating his business in the Czech Republic, and dotFREE
Group SRO, with notice of the lawsuit and began discussions with Mr.
Piatti to determine which of his subdomains were being used for
legitimate business, "

short of it is basic =
 be a discerning customer.
- vpn providers that don't log are better than logging for any period
no matter how short.
- vpn providers that are technically competent are better than those
which will expose you through leaks or when cracked.
- vpn providers resistant to jurisdictional and payment processor
pressure are better than those using easily coerced services, third
parties, or vendors.
- no vpn provider is resistant to you being an ass. if you raise big
heat directly and exclusively on a VPN provider you are both stupid
and subject to them cutting your service if not dumping your logs.
this can be said another way: don't be stupid :)

the incompetent and twofaced should be exposed however. i hear
attrition.org likes to keep lists and name names ...

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