full-disclosure - Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

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Message-ID: <CAExQ7uK5uXXV4-4ZLBs_e8kQxV+D=Pu-TniRKT_SSDNNnv9dCA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:35:16 -0500
From: adam <adam@...sy.net>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

"(Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens
so
rarely that it's basically a hypothetical)."

You do realize that (at least in the US) - contempt is *not* a criminal
offense, don't you?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:05 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:15:02 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said:
> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@...il.com> wrote:
>
> > > As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider will
> > > risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would try it
> > > for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not
> > > surprised that they bent.
> >
> > "Alleged"
>
> Yes. So?  In most jurisdictions, "alledged" and "probable cause" is
> sufficient
> to get a court to sign off on a subpoena and/or warrants.
>
> "Dear Judge:  On Aug 23, a hacker using the handle "JustFellOutOfTree" did
> violate Section N, Clause X.Y of the criminal code by hacking into
> BigStore.com.  The connection was traced back to the provider VPNs-R-Us.
>  We
> would like a court order requesting VPNs-R-Us to provide any and all
> information they may have regarding this user".
>
> That will usually do it (after bulked up to about 3 pages with legalese and
> dotting the t's and crossing the i's).
>
> The next morning, the manager at VPNs-R-Us gets to his office, and finds
> two guys with guns and a signed piece of paper.  At which point one of two
> things will happen:
>
> 1) the guy rolls and gives up all the info.
> 2) the guy calls his lawyer and makes sure that he gives up all the
> required info,
> and not one byte more.
>
> (Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens
> so
> rarely that it's basically a hypothetical).
>
>
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