Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:18:04 +1100
From: xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com>
To: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Wipe off, rub out, reappear...

I dont care about *theyre* setup, and i said that, I only stated what CAN be
done, in capable hands.. simple.
You are reading deep into something, you seem to understand fkall about,
seriously.


On 11 October 2011 21:16, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com> wrote:

> I already beat you up to it - you know nothing about their setup.
> You don't know if their infection is the result of a botnet.
>
> I don't deny you know anything about botnets, I'm just saying from the
> looks of it you jumped to a load of conclusion without any proof whatsoever.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> screwit, im a bite, i know my shit here..
>> If i was not so smart, then i guess  i would not have a modified ircd wich
>> is similar... wow i know.. just seems you dont know crap about c&c botnets ,
>> thats fo sure. I think i outlined a *good* setup, as i have seen it, or
>> would not bothered to state the mods made.. is that simple. wwether it is
>> hard t code or not, is not my business, nor i care for.. I just know, how
>> they run, and, dont try bs me about what i do and dont know, because on this
>> topic son, i have plenty of experience, and could easily match this with an
>> AV spokesperson, and would not hesitate to, but what gains it to me ? None.
>> I am here for those who give a crap, you sir, no nothing, atall, about
>> even the controlling side of a good botnet wich, spreads fast.
>> Most people, simply do not want you on them, then the better ones, simply
>> hide as users on irc anyhow ;)
>> Then again, i wouldnt know shit ey.
>> gnite :-)
>> have fun trying to pick apart anything with me in this area, i will enjoy
>> tearing your anus out, word by word if i have to.
>> xd
>>
>>
>> On 11 October 2011 20:29, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you ask me, you sound like bragging on something you wrote.
>>>
>>> Either that, or you're clueless to what you are saying.
>>>
>>> Just because my younger brother won't understand 5 lines of code I wrote
>>> doesn't make my 5 liner smart...
>>> Applying the analogy here, just because they're possibly clueless to how
>>> OS internals work doesn't mean the virus is doing anything particularly
>>> smart.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:55 AM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is obvious, this is a very well made executable :)
>>>> Or, set up well to spread and then hide, and doing so with even its
>>>> phone home, wich is normal nowdays, for example consider an ircd, it uses
>>>> PING/PONG, what if you change the rfc, and use ascii characters,then do this
>>>> to the bot, remove USER mode completely only allow it for set modes/opers,
>>>> and then try take the thing down, if it is connected thru about 40 different
>>>> ips and does not rely on dynami dns...
>>>> it is not impossible, it is happening now, and, it is also visible,
>>>> however, these c7c centres are so advanced, Ids are just not getting enough
>>>> info...you cannot do a thing on the properly modified control centres, and,
>>>> i have seen that code, it is extremely modified version of ircd... it cannot
>>>> be used by a NOn operator, and uses a totally different rfc to phopne home
>>>> etc, thus making conventional methods used atm, useless... as they will
>>>> loook for the strings that they know, and always ids will perform some
>>>> string of commands, and, then slowly the operator sees the servers, and one
>>>> by one he blocks YOU out of his network.
>>>> This is a dog eat dog world, bot masters can be exceptionallt ingenious
>>>> when it comes to these things, and masking an exe nowdays, is not as simple
>>>> as some peoples SFX rar kits :)
>>>> So even kits nowdays, can be way more advanced than 2008/2009 even...
>>>> there has been a burst of tech, so there is also a burst in virus
>>>> numbers... but, smart c&c centres, you wont take down so easily, and they
>>>> will move before you can even decrypt theyre settings... wich is exactly why
>>>> stuxnet is non stoppable.. unless the owner shuuts it down, it wont  be
>>>> killed..
>>>>  xd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 October 2011 10:45, Bob Dobbs <bobd10937@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schmidt <
>>>>> mschmidt@...gstore.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  If its bot net code and it is behind an air barrier then it will
>>>>>> never phone home. They
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It already broke the "air wall" to get in. It can certainly do so to
>>>>> get out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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