Message-ID: <CAD6s_XtoFhkZf9yG_xhgGwEzJXxX65m76nR8pC2EFe0teUJ4Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:25:58 +0200
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

Resorting to personal attacks? Nice.

Technical skills in what? Running a wordpress blog? Defacing a website?
Growing pot?

I rarely publicise any materials, most of the time I just tell whoever is
responsible to do a fix.
I'm not really running after publicity, unlike you guys.
Also note that I never said I'm a seasoned hacker... in fact, my occupation
is quite on the opposite side of the spectrum...

You also seem to know more than I do what the Ubuntu VM I have contains.

But that must make all the difference! I mean, people that don't know qubits
from bits shouldn't be allowed in such discussions
(of course there's wikipedia...)




On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com>wrote:

> Christian Sciberras,
>
> I have trouble judging your technical skills - all I have seen is bad
> smalltalk.
>
> Do you have any technical publications you can share so I can judge?
>
> btw, the best i found was you could could reproduce a bug in a CMS and in
> addition you can't tell root from user password on vanilla ubuntu.
>
> --
> joro
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:11:13AM +0200, Christian Sciberras wrote:
> > > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
> >
> > No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making
> > profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go
> somewhere
> > further in the chain.
> > Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that
> refused
> > to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
> > productive.
> > Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they
> > decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have a
> > right in the first place...).
> >
> > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
> responsibility
> > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but the
> largest
> > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
> >
> > The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a
> bottle
> > of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
> >
> > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it,
> > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
> >
> > Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway would
> > thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get things off
> you.
> > Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other
> than
> > myself.
> >
> >
> > Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more
> effort.
> > For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they did
> legally
> > wrong.
> > Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The "99%
> > protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right wrongs
> by
> > pointing at jailed people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > >  On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
> > >
> > > I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to get
> "obscenely
> > > rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage for the fun of
> it.
> > >
> > >  So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
> > >
> > >  Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of ruining
> > > others' for the fun of it.
> > >
> > >  What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites (protesters) are
> crying
> > > out loud against some people they're highly envious of with the excuse
> of
> > > "the depression".
> > > Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought about by
> > > these same people!
> > >
> > >
> > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
> responsibility
> > > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but the
> largest
> > > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  If someone above is collecting free money because of incentives for
> > > people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't blame him.
> > >
> > >  Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well
> > >
> > >  How many times in your life have you paid back something you received
> by
> > > mistake and which wasn't yours?
> > > While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a wrong, I
> just
> > > can't ignore the fact that those people out there representing the
> "99%" are
> > > big-time hypocrites.
> > >
> > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it,
> > > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
> > >
> > >
> > >  On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough how some
> of
> > > the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by handing out
> names
> > > instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd has been doing up till
> now?
> > >
> > > *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
> > > **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
> > > **Bill Clinton, former US president*
> > > *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
> > > *George W Bush, former US president*
> > > *Senator Phil Gramm
> > > **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
> > > **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
> > > **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
> > > **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
> > > **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
> > > **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
> > > **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
> > > **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
> > > **Lewis Ranieri
> > > **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
> > > **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
> > > **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
> > > **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
> > > *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
> > > **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
> > > **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
> > > **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
> > >
> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
> > > And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so many
> other
> > > names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them made a profit
> off
> > > of the disaster.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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