Message-ID: <CAD6s_Xta0r9tsrT8Oyto4FOxiA=nR+zH7hHB779PQ05osvhx3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:57:40 +0200
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

Yeah, let's just all ignore low insults. The world would be a much better
place without them and whoever said them in the first place...








On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:

>  On 10/14/2011 2:25 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>
> Resorting to personal attacks? Nice.
>
>  Technical skills in what? Running a wordpress blog? Defacing a website?
> Growing pot?
>
>  I rarely publicise any materials, most of the time I just tell whoever is
> responsible to do a fix.
> I'm not really running after publicity, unlike you guys.
> Also note that I never said I'm a seasoned hacker... in fact, my occupation
> is quite on the opposite side of the spectrum...
>
>  You also seem to know more than I do what the Ubuntu VM I have contains.
>
>  But that must make all the difference! I mean, people that don't know
> qubits from bits shouldn't be allowed in such discussions
> (of course there's wikipedia...)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com>wrote:
>
>> Christian Sciberras,
>>
>> I have trouble judging your technical skills - all I have seen is bad
>> smalltalk.
>>
>> Do you have any technical publications you can share so I can judge?
>>
>> btw, the best i found was you could could reproduce a bug in a CMS and in
>> addition you can't tell root from user password on vanilla ubuntu.
>>
>> --
>> joro
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:11:13AM +0200, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>> > > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>> >
>> > No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making
>> > profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go
>> somewhere
>> > further in the chain.
>> > Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that
>> refused
>> > to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
>> > productive.
>> > Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they
>> > decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have a
>> > right in the first place...).
>> >
>> > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>> responsibility
>> > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but the
>> largest
>> > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>> >
>> > The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a
>> bottle
>> > of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
>> >
>> > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of
>> it,
>> > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>> >
>> > Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway
>> would
>> > thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get things off
>> you.
>> > Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other
>> than
>> > myself.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more
>> effort.
>> > For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they did
>> legally
>> > wrong.
>> > Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The "99%
>> > protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right wrongs
>> by
>> > pointing at jailed people.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >  On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to get
>> "obscenely
>> > > rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage for the fun of
>> it.
>> > >
>> > >  So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>> > >
>> > >  Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of ruining
>> > > others' for the fun of it.
>> > >
>> > >  What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites (protesters) are
>> crying
>> > > out loud against some people they're highly envious of with the excuse
>> of
>> > > "the depression".
>> > > Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought about by
>> > > these same people!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>> responsibility
>> > > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but the
>> largest
>> > > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  If someone above is collecting free money because of incentives for
>> > > people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't blame
>> him.
>> > >
>> > >  Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well
>> > >
>> > >  How many times in your life have you paid back something you received
>> by
>> > > mistake and which wasn't yours?
>> > > While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a wrong, I
>> just
>> > > can't ignore the fact that those people out there representing the
>> "99%" are
>> > > big-time hypocrites.
>> > >
>> > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of
>> it,
>> > > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough how some
>> of
>> > > the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by handing out
>> names
>> > > instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd has been doing up till
>> now?
>> > >
>>  > > *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
>> > > **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
>> > > **Bill Clinton, former US president*
>> > > *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
>> > > *George W Bush, former US president*
>> > > *Senator Phil Gramm
>> > > **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
>> > > **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
>> > > **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
>> > > **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
>> > > **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
>> > > **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
>> > > **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
>> > > **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
>> > > **Lewis Ranieri
>> > > **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
>> > > **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
>> > > **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
>> > > **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
>> > > *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
>> > > **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
>> > > **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
>> > > **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
>> > >
>> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
>> > > And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so many
>> other
>> > > names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them made a profit
>> off
>> > > of the disaster.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
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> Lets keep the discussion above the belt guys ok?
>
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