Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:53:36 -0500
From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

On 10/13/2011 7:11 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
> > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>
> No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making 
> profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go 
> somewhere further in the chain.
> Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that 
> refused to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, 
> isn't as productive.
> Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they 
> decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have 
> a right in the first place...).
So by your logic the civil disobedience that helped sparked the 
revolutionary war is worse than if someone had done the same acts just 
to drive up tea prices? Again I also remind you the trickle down theory 
doesn't work
>
> > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of 
> responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature 
> imperfect, but the largest share of responsibility lies with the names 
> listed below.
>
> The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a 
> bottle of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
>
But we did see him increase deregulation and allow this to happen, we 
also saw him provoke a war with another country based on a known lie for 
the sole purpose of gaining resources and more control in the middle 
east. We saw him legalize torture and saw him strip away a good chunk of 
our civil liberties so the anti terror industry could make a buck. But 
like you said its ok since someone is making money off of it. Who needs 
civil liberties anyways right?
> > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of 
> it, most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>
> Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway 
> would thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get 
> things off you.
> Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other 
> than myself.
>
Frankly 90% of people on this list would just thank $deity i suddenly 
dropped dead regardless of how much stuff i had :)
>
> Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more 
> effort. For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they 
> did legally wrong.
> Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The 
> "99% protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right 
> wrongs by pointing at jailed people.
>
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org 
> <mailto:laurelai@...echan.org>> wrote:
>
>     On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>>     I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to get
>>     "obscenely rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage
>>     for the fun of it.
>>
>     So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>
>>     Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of
>>     ruining others' for the fun of it.
>>
>>     What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites (protesters)
>>     are crying out loud against some people they're highly envious of
>>     with the excuse of "the depression".
>>     Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought
>>     about by these same people!
>
>     And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>     responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature
>     imperfect, but the largest share of responsibility lies with the
>     names listed below.
>
>
>
>
>>     If someone above is collecting free money because of incentives
>>     for people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't
>>     blame him.
>>
>     Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well
>
>>     How many times in your life have you paid back something you
>>     received by mistake and which wasn't yours?
>>     While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a
>>     wrong, I just can't ignore the fact that those people out there
>>     representing the "99%" are big-time hypocrites.
>     That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime
>     of it, most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>
>>
>>     On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough how
>>     some of the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by
>>     handing out names instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd
>>     has been doing up till now?
>     *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
>     **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
>     **Bill Clinton, former US president*
>     *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
>     *George W Bush, former US president*
>     *Senator Phil Gramm
>     **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
>     **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
>     **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
>     **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
>     **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
>     **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
>     **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
>     **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
>     **Lewis Ranieri
>     **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
>     **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
>     **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
>     **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
>     *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
>     **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
>     **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
>     **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*
>
>
>     Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
>     http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
>     And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so many
>     other names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them
>     made a profit off of the disaster.
>
>
>


Oh and you didn't reply to any of my other points :)

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