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Message-ID: <469433890-1321731897-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-628311336-@b27.c20.bise7.blackberry>
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:44:58 +0000
From: james@...o-internet.org.uk
To: "Dan Kaminsky" <dan@...para.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,
	"full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk"
	<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default

Effective user id as a short answer; compare sudo whoami and su - whoami


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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:47 
To: james@...o-internet.org.uk<james@...o-internet.org.uk>
Cc: Johan Nestaas<johannestaas@...il.com>; full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>; Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr>; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default

What is the security differential between su and sudo bash?

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On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:15 AM, james@...o-internet.org.uk wrote:

> I'll second that; the isp I work at has a sizeable ubuntu customer base and these are customers who have made an informed decision.
> 
> Now; let's consider ubuntu's inherited security from debian such as configuring a 'mortal account' (admittedly can be ignored in the preseed) and then the lack of perms on su; must use sudo.
> 
> This is a distro that is newbie friendly but is not designed specifically for them.
> 
> Unfortunately, though, you make a distro with simplified tasks (printer installation a fantastic example) and people, especially long term linuxers- though I ought to be included I guess, remember back all too easily to when everything was an uphill struggle: "what do you mean I don't have to compile this as a flipping module? That's not freedom!" Being all too familiar.
> 
> Just my tuppence worth anyway.
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Nestaas <johannestaas@...il.com>
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> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:04:46 
> To: Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr>
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> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default
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