full-disclosure - Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom

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Message-ID: <CAD6s_XtKGAkN4vn5za15HG2o1ZzBsDuvqD+039CghoCqfDSrSA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:30:21 +0100
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: Benjamin Kreuter <ben.kreuter@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of
	freedom

> Copyrights exist for consumers, at least according to the US
> constitution: <snip>

And? I'm talking about the simple fact that the producer has the right
to earn money from his creation. Copyright is just a tool.

> Copyrights do not exist for the benefit of producers; that is only a
> means to an end.  The point of the copyright system is to benefit the
> general public.

Exactly. So, in your own words, producers are at a loss.

> ...which is not the same as their right to prevent you from making
> copies of their work.

Oh come on. Who are you trying to feed that to?
You know damn well current court cases target 'copyright infringement'
for non-personal use....such as copying such material and selling it for
profit.

Why don't you just admit many people out there are afraid of loosing
their little racket?

> Then tell me what they lost.  Can you prove that someone who downloaded
> a song would have spent money on the song if it had not been available
> for download?  The argument that losses are incurred for every download
> has always been baseless and always will be.

Can you prove that a company/group can live on by handing out free copies
of their song on the internet? How many companies out there do that?

> Industries need to adapt to the times, or else they die.  What makes
> recording, movie production, etc. so special?

Lets turn this to a different parallel issue, open source. Last I checked,
income for opensource projects tend to come from one of the following:
- advertisements
- paid support
- training

How many such activities play well with records companies?

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