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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:06:49 -0700
From: Sanguinarious Rose <SanguineRose@...ultusTerra.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The Mystery of the Duqu Framework

Do you have any suggestions as to what C++ compiler could generate
such code in such a case and how one could generate similar code that
matches the decompiled parts? Granted their theory of a new language
is moonbatty but I think they have the knowledge to recognize a common
compiler.

As for ctor and dtor, I am pretty sure they were marked by the
researcher doing the decompiling or the decompiler and no such symbol
names are in the executable. I would conclude as such for the other
symbols named due to how they were named.

I do agree on the new language being possibly the dumbest insane
moonbat speculation of the year however I have heard a few other
things that win over that hands down ;)

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM, William Pitcock
<nenolod@...teminplace.net> wrote:
> On 3/10/2012 9:00 AM, 夜神　岩男 wrote:
>> On 03/10/2012 03:51 AM, fd@...erted.net wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/667/The_Mystery_of_the_Duqu_Framework
>>>
>>> Haven't seen this (or much discussion around this) here yet, so I
>>> figured I'd share.
>>>
>>    From the description, it looks like someone pushed some code from a
>> Lisp[1] variant (like Common Lisp, which is preprocesed into ANSI C by
>> GCL, for example, before compilation) into a C++ DLL. Normal in the
>> deper end of Linux dev or Hurd communities, but definitely not standard
>> practice in any established industry that makes use of Windows.
>>
>> I could be wrong, I didn't take the time to walk myself through the
>> decompile with any thoroughness and compare it to code I generate.
>> Anyway, I have no idea the differences between how VC++ and g++ do
>> things -- so my analysis would probably be trash. But from the way the
>> Mr. Soumenkov describes things it seems this, or something similar,
>> could be the case and why the code doesn't conform to what's expected in
>> a C++ binary.
>>
>>
>
> LISP would refer to specific constructor/destructor vtable entries as
> "cons" and there would be no destructor at all.  The structs use vtables
> which refer to "ctor" and "dtor", which indicates that the vtables were
> most likely generated using a C++ compiler (since that is standard
> nomenclature for C++ compiler symbols).  It pretty much has to be
> Microsoft COM.  The struct layouts pretty much *reek* of Microsoft COM
> when used with a detached vtable (such as if the implementation is
> loaded from a COM object file).  The fact that specific vtable entries
> aren't mangled is also strong evidence of it being Microsoft COM (since
> there is no need to mangle vtable entries of a COM object due to type
> information already being known in the COM object).
>
> If it looks like COM, smells like COM, and acts like COM, then it's
> probably COM.  It certainly isn't "some new programming language" like
> Kaspersky says.  That's just the dumbest thing I've heard this year.
>
> William
>
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