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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:33:33 +0000
From: "James Condron" <james@...o-internet.org.uk>
To: "Bzzz" <lazyvirus@....com>, full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk,
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
	Against Iran

Aaaaaand now we degenerate into a political argument nobody but the poster gives a fuck about.

Ta for that, maybe take it elsewhere. Let's keep on topic (though we may be several posts behind)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bzzz <lazyvirus@....com>
Sender: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:03:51 
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
 Against Iran

On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:36:07 -0400
Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:

> Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I
> damn well earned my right to complain about how broken the system
> is, myself and the soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could
> all have a free country and that yes I could "whine" about it. Its
> called the US Constitution, we took an oath to uphold and defend
> it and everything it stands for. 

And in 10 years you didn't understood how the system is working,
that you were following orders from people that won't ever take
any risk (nor their family & friends), that are themselves receiving
their orders from big money/business/poliotics you'll never see on
tv nor in any newspaper.

> So while I'm saying here that the civil liberties I swore to
> uphold and defend are eroding away and that evil is triumphing
> over the US, you are telling me this is business as usual.

You are not lucid, your country has _always_ been a rat lab where
masters tell you that you're free, but dig a (tiny) bit and you'll
see that's always been a big fat lie (ie: you pay income taxes?
but the 19th amendment has never been ratified - and your own
justice is enforcing sanctions if you don't pay, knowing what they
do is totally illegal...)

> Just because something evil is the established way of things or is
> becoming the established way of things doesn't mean we have to or
> should accept it. Perhaps *you* should stop being so cold and
> jaded about the evils of the world and put some you know *effort*
> into fixing them instead of trying to shout down anyone who tries
> or talks about trying to make the world better.

I think he's living in a real world and look at it coldly & without
any indulgence.

> You are honestly implying that there is absolutely nothing that
> can ever be done ever and we should all just lie down and take it,
> can you understand why I might take issue with that perspective?
> You are saying in essence "There is no more room to improve so we
> should never again try."

Thor missed one thing though: he said "people are doing things for 2
reasons; get laid or get paid", there are 2 more reasons: for fun
and for ideals; the latest being the most dangerous thing in the
whole world.

Jean-Yves
-- 
Obviously the only rational solution to your problem is suicide.

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