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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:55:29 +0300
From: John Doe <jd731841953@...il.com>
To: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
 Against Iran

I'm sure the Nazis were thinking alike. The jews kept whining, but then
again, they were the arab terrorists of the time.. And now we have
americans wondering why the arabs won't go into the ovens without whining.

More to the topic, I'd hope USA would LEAVE THE CIVILIANS OUT OF THEIR
FUCKING WARS,
and honor the treaties thereof, like they should. And I don't mean the
verbal shit how "we don't torture"
or "we don't kill civilians" but I mean the actions themselves. Verbally
lying about not torturing does not equate to honoring the treaty against
torture, for example. This, americans just don't seem to understand.
The treaties obligate and bind all americans to honor them. And not just
verbally, but in your deeds as well.

And this includes cyber wars. They just work to disrupt the internet even
more and it does not do good to economy or the productivity of people.
Internet and computers working without problems create bigger economic
growth than USA disrupting them with their cyber weapons and wars.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>wrote:

> What's the real problem Laurelai? If the US abruptly vanished, there will
> be another country taking its place as the global player.
>
> The thing is, I can't imagine another country doing a better job than the
> US....not because the US is a walking saint, but because the rest of them
> are no better.
>
> Back to the subject of the US playing "dirty", who gives a shit? Security
> experts of all shades have been doing it. Now that the US is taking your
> place you're worried?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/8/12 9:56 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote:
>> > Shit, Ill give the NSA a shell on any system... if it means achieving a
>> > greater goal. Whether its wrong or not... let the bots decide who is the
>> > better player as long as it brings the US into a primary position of
>> > power.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 11:22:32PM -0400, Laurelai wrote:
>> >> On 6/6/12 2:23 PM, Peter Dawson wrote:
>> >>> haha..da retrun of da "farewell dossier" !!
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM, coderman <coderman@...il.com
>> >>> <mailto:coderman@...il.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>     On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:16 AM, coderman <coderman@...il.com
>> >>>     <mailto:coderman@...il.com>> wrote:
>> >>>     > ... uncle sam has been up in yer SCADA for
>> >>>     > two decades.
>> >>>
>> >>>     three decades; too early for maths!
>> >>>
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>> >> accessing computer systems without due process, and trying to prosecute
>> >> the people who made this known to the public.
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>> Here we have a real life example of someone who is a part of the problem.
>>
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