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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:40:03 -0400
From: "Mikhail A. Utin" <mutin@...monwealthcare.org>
To: "paul.szabo@...ney.edu.au" <paul.szabo@...ney.edu.au>,
	"full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Full-Disclosure Digest, Vol 89,
 Issue 11: ] How much time is appropriate for fixing

Dear Paul,
You completely missed my point. I was talking about the foundation of this list, which is free service, and the foundation of a lot of current IT technologies, which is freeware. Giving knowledge for free (including software bugs) is the foundation of this civilization. Having profit is a necessity but not all what drives us. Could you personally show any your contribution to the society? Which was not paid for?
My contribution you can find searching/google for my name and "article", and DeepSec 2011 and OWASP AppSec DC 2012 presentations as well. Nobody paid me for. Plus, you can check our portal www.201cmr1700ma.com, which provides knowledge and security documents for free. Then, considering you association with math science, you can possibly estimate the time I've spent for free.
So, my voice pro free knowledge distribution is completely legitimate.

Sincerely

Mikhail utin, CISSP, PhD

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.szabo@...ney.edu.au [mailto:paul.szabo@...ney.edu.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:41 PM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; Mikhail A. Utin
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Full-Disclosure Digest, Vol 89, Issue 11: ] How much time is appropriate for fixing

Dear Mikhail,

>> From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>
>> To: Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com>, Stefan Kanthak
>> 	<stefan.kanthak@...go.de>
>> Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk"
>> 	<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
>> 
>> I'm not contradicting myself at all - in fact, *you* are the exact 
>> type of person I'm talking about.  You couldn't give a rat's ass 
>> about the industry or anyone but yourself.  Nothing you have ever 
>> done has been "valuable" to anyone other than you; it has been 
>> completely self-serving egotistical bullshit.
>
> I completely agree with Thor. ...

You cannot possibly agree with someone who addresses two people in the singular. You should not agree with someone who ascribes behaviourial patterns to others, based on his own character traits.

Are you familiar with Georgi's work? Please look at his website before proffering opinions.

Cheers, Paul

Paul Szabo   psz@...hs.usyd.edu.au   http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/
School of Mathematics and Statistics   University of Sydney    Australia
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