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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:41:33 +0000
From: Philip Whitehouse <philip@...uk.com>
To: Hurgel Bumpf <l0rd_lunatic@...oo.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Google's robots.txt handling

This is not a strong argument. When you opt out of marketing companies store your email on a blacklist. It's necessary.

If the contents is publicly visible then it is not a good place to put such information you highlight below.

Moreover it only needs to be in robots.txt if its browsable. If its linked from inside your site, people could find it anyway. robots.txt would merely optimise that search.

In any case, I'm fairly confident robots.txt predates Google Search.

Philip Whitehouse

On 10 Dec 2012, at 19:25, Hurgel Bumpf <l0rd_lunatic@...oo.com> wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> 
> i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email,  i do forward this to FD.
> This "security" feature is not cleary a google vulnerability, but exposes websites informations that are not really intended to be public.
> 
> (Additionally i have to say that i advocate robots.txt files without sensitive content and working security mechanisms.)
> 
> Here is an example: 
> 
> An admin has a public webservice running with folders containing sensitive informations. Enter these folders in his robots.txt and "protect" them from the indexing process of spiders. As he doesn't want the /admin/ gui to appear in the search results he also puts his /admin in the robots text and finaly makes a backup to the folder /backup.
> 
> Nevertheless these folders arent browsable but they might contain f(a)iles with easy to guess namestructures, non-encrypted authentications (simple AUTH) , you name it...
> 
> Without a robots.txt nobody would know about the existance of these folders, but as some folders might be linked somewhere, these folders might appear in search results when not defined in the robots.txt  The admin finds himself in a catch-22 situation where he seems to prefer the robots.txt file.
> 
> Long story short.
> 
> Although google accepts and respects the directives of the robots.txt file, google INDEXES these files. 
> 
> This my concern. 
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:robots.txt+filetype%3Atxt+Disallow%3A+%2Fadmin
> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:robots.txt+filetype%3Atxt+Disallow%3A+%2Fbackup
> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:robots.txt+filetype%3Atxt+Disallow%3A+%2Fpassword
> 
> As these searches can be used less for targeted attacks, they more can be used to find victims. 
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:robots.txt+filetype%3Atxt+%2FDisallow%3A+wp-admin
> http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:robots.txt+filetype%3Atxt+%2FDisallow%3A+typo3
> <Just be creative>
> 
> This shouldn't be a discussion about bad practice but the google feature itself. 
> 
> Indexing a file which is used to prevent indexing.. isn't that just paradox and hypocrite?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Conan the bavarian
> 
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