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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:20:39 -0500
From: Jeffrey Walton <>
To: Julius Kivimäki <>
Cc: Full-Disclosure <>
Subject: Re: Student expelled from Montreal college after
 finding vulnerability that compromised security of 250,
 000 students personal data

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Julius Kivimäki
<> wrote:
> How is Omnivox's security relevant when this kid is running DoS tools on
> their sites? (Acunetix is a nice database heavy HTTP flood tool.)
I don't know.

Could Acunetix be used to find a 250,000 record information leak
(injection?)? If not, perhaps it was exaggerated by the site's owner
in order to deflect bad press and tip the scales of justice.

Manipulating the justice system is nothing new. Ma Bell did it with
Mitnick. They claimed millions in losses due to Mitnick, but failed to
list it in their SEC filings (required by law at the time). They would
not answer questions pertaining to the 'accounting irregularities'
when cross examined during tial.


> 2013/1/22 Jeffrey Walton <>
>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Philip Whitehouse <>
>> wrote:
>> > Moreover, he ran it again after reporting it to see if it was still
>> > there.
>> > Essentially he's doing an unauthorised pen test having alerted them that
>> > he'd done one already.
>> If his personal information is in the proprietary system, I believe he
>> has every right to very the security of the system.
>> Is he allowed to "opt-out" of the system (probably not)? If not, he
>> has a responsibility to check.
>> Open question: does Canada have Security Testing and Evaluation (ST&E)
>> and Reverse Engoneering (ER) exemptions in its laws? Even the United
>> States' DMCA has them. For reference for others in the US who may be
>> subject to bullying (companies have tried it on me):
>> DMCA (PUBLIC LAW 105–304). It has exceptions for reverse engineering
>> and security testing and evaluation. The RE exemption is in Section
>> 1205 (f) REVERSE ENGINEERING. The ST&E exemption is in Section 1205
>> > a class A moron.
>> What does that make Omnivox, which appears to have done no testing?
>> Jeff
>> > On 21 Jan 2013, at 21:10, Benji <> wrote:
>> >
>> > He found the vulnerability by running Acunetix against the system. He is
>> > what most be would describe as, a class A moron.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Frank Bures <>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A student has been expelled from Montreal’s Dawson College after he
>> >> discovered a flaw in the computer system used by most Quebec CEGEPs
>> >> (General and Vocational Colleges), one which compromised the security
>> >> of
>> >> over 250,000 students’ personal information.
>> >>
>> >> Ahmed Al-Khabaz, a 20-year-old computer science student at Dawson and a
>> >> member of the school’s software development club, was working on a
>> >> mobile
>> >> app to allow students easier access to their college account when he
>> >> and a
>> >> colleague discovered what he describes as “sloppy coding” in the widely
>> >> used Omnivox software which would allow “anyone with a basic knowledge
>> >> of
>> >> computers to gain access to the personal information of any student in
>> >> the
>> >> system, including social insurance number, home address and phone
>> >> number,
>> >> class schedule, basically all the information the college has on a
>> >> student.”
>> >>
>> >>

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