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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:07:56 +0200
From: Źmicier Januszkiewicz <gauri@....by>
To: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: PayPal.com XSS Vulnerability

Hmm, interesting.

For some reason I fail to find the mentioned "age requirements" at the
official bug bounty page located at
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/reporting-security-issues
Am I looking in the wrong direction? Can someone please point to where this
is written?

With kind regards,
Z.


2013/5/29 Robert Kugler <robert.kugler10@...il.com>

>
>
>
> 2013/5/29 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Robert Kugler
>> <robert.kugler10@...il.com> wrote:
>> > Hello all!
>> >
>> > I'm Robert Kugler a 17 years old German student who's interested in
>> securing
>> > computer systems.
>> >
>> > I would like to warn you that PayPal.com is vulnerable to a Cross-Site
>> > Scripting vulnerability!
>> > PayPal Inc. is running a bug bounty program for professional security
>> > researchers.
>> >
>> > ...
>> > Unfortunately PayPal disqualified me from receiving any bounty payment
>> > because of being 17 years old...
>> >
>> > ...
>> > I don’t want to allege PayPal a kind of bug bounty cost saving, but
>> it’s not
>> > the best idea when you're interested in motivated security
>> researchers...
>> Fortunately Microsoft and Firefox took a more reasonable positions for
>> the bugs you discovered with their products.
>>
>> PCWorld and MSN picked up the story:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2039940/paypal-denies-teenager-reward-for-finding-website-bug.html
>> and
>> http://now.msn.com/paypal-denies-reward-to-robert-kugler-teen-who-found-bug-in-code
>> .
>> It is now news worthy to Wikipedia, where it will live forever under
>> Criticisms (unfortunately, it appears PayPal does a lot of
>> questionable things so its just one of a long list).
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
> Today I received an email from PayPal Site Security:
>
> "Hi Robert,
>
> We appreciate your research efforts and we are sorry that our
> age requirements restrict you from participating in our Bug Bounty Program.
> With regards to your specific bug submission, we should have also mentioned
> that the vulnerability you submitted was previously reported by another
> researcher and we are already actively fixing the issue. We hope that you
> understand that bugs that have previously been reported to us are not
> eligible for payment as we must honor the original researcher that provided
> the vulnerability.
>
> I would also mention that in general, PayPal has been a consistent
> supporter of what is known as “responsible disclosure”.  That is, ensuring
> that a company has a reasonable amount of time to fix a bug from
> notification to public disclosure.  This allows the company to fix the bug,
> so that criminals cannot use that knowledge to exploit it, but still gives
> the researchers the ability to draw attention to their skills and
> experience.  When researchers go down the “full disclosure” path, it then
> puts us in a race with criminals who may successfully use the vulnerability
> you found to victimize our customers.  We do not support the full
> disclosure methodology, precisely because it puts real people at
> unnecessary risk. We hope you keep that in mind when doing future research.
>
> We acknowledge that PayPal can do more to recognize younger security
> researchers around the world. As a first step, we would like you to be the
> first security researcher in the history of our program to receive an
> official "Letter of Recognition" from our Chief Information Security
> Officer Michael Barrett (attached, will follow up with a signed copy
> tomorrow). We truly appreciate your contribution to helping keep PayPal
> secure for our customers and we will continue to explore other ways that we
> can we provide alternate recognition for younger researchers.
>
> We'd welcome the chance to explain this all to you first hand over the
> phone, please email us at this address with a number and good time to reach
> you and we’d be happy to follow-up.
>
> Thank you,
> PayPal Site Security"
>
> It's still curious that they only mentioned the first researcher who
> previously found the bug after all the media attention...Nevertheless I
> appreciate their intentions to acknowledge also younger security
> researchers, it's a step in the right direction!!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Robert Kugler
>
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