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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:19:49 -0400
From: Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net>
To: XF <theiemsolution@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do
	online

Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data
centres !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the
Tier 1 carriers. Sure sounds far fetched!

Gary B


On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote:
> Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS ?
> And how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on your
> network" :-)  This would say that ISP agree and the amount of data to
> transfer would be so vast . How can they transfer all this amount of
> data into their system ??
>
>
> Le 1 août 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net
> <mailto:gary@...ibault.net>> a écrit :
>
>> Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of
>> the U.S. would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They have
>> to be tapping all of the major traffic exchange sites in the U.S. to
>> get this kind of data.
>>
>> Gary B
>>
>>  On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote:
>> > Did you understood how they collect data ? This is not clear for me...ISP backdoor ?
>> Optical tap on sub marine wire ?
>> >
>> > Le 1 août 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com> a
>> écrit :
>> >
>> >> it will be interesting to me what will remain of the nsa
>> >> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money to the usa.
>> >>
>> >> Detroit news are not very pink.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh Davenport wrote:
>> >>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister suggests that we aren't
>> >>> the slaves for nsa...
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>> >>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/
>> >>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do
>> online'
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From the presentation:
>> >>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in country X
>> >>>>
>> >>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that has no
>> >>>> connection to known strong-selectors
>> >>>> **Anomalous events
>> >>>> ***Someone who is using encryption
>> >>>>
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