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Message-Id: <20130802060522.781E13F51@mail2.intranet.rocon-it.de> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 08:05:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Rost <christian.rost@...on-it.de> To: Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> Subject: Re: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you doonline >What I have HUGE doubts >about is how they transport all of that data back to their data centres, >unless they have a massive quantity of dark (private) fibre that no one >knows about. > They probably would have set up a decentralized infrastructure, with multiple (smaller) daca centres all over the world. This way they can store and process the collected data on site and don't need to transport everything home. Cheers, Christian =========================================================== Dipl.-Ing. Christian Rost [T.I.S.P.] roCon - Informationstechnologie Ulmenstraße 45 44534 Lünen fon: +49 (0) 2306 910 658 fax: +49 (0) 2306 910 664 url: http://www.rocon-it.de --------Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> wrote-------- Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you doonline Date: 02.08.2013 00:39 >I think the NSA could twist arms in the U.S. and I think that they could >have a deal with the U.K. and maybe Canada, what I have HUGE doubts >about is how they transport all of that data back to their data centres, >unless they have a massive quantity of dark (private) fibre that no one >knows about. > >Gary B > >On 08/01/2013 04:46 PM, XF wrote: >> So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ? >> Even in Europ ? This sound crazy >> >> >> >> Le 1 aou^t 2013 ¨¤ 22:19, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net >> <mailto:gary@...ibault.net>> a ¨¦crit : >> >>> Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data >>> centres !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the >>> Tier 1 carriers. Sure sounds far fetched! >>> >>> Gary B >>> >>> >>> On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote: >>>> Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS >>>> ? And how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on >>>> your network" :-) This would say that ISP agree and the amount of >>>> data to transfer would be so vast . How can they transfer all this >>>> amount of data into their system ?? >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 1 aou^t 2013 ¨¤ 20:56, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net >>>> <mailto:gary@...ibault.net>> a ¨¦crit : >>>> >>>>> Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of >>>>> the U.S. would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They >>>>> have to be tapping all of the major traffic exchange sites in the >>>>> U.S. to get this kind of data. >>>>> >>>>> Gary B >>>>> >>>>> On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote: >>>>> > Did you understood how they collect data ? This is not clear for >me...ISP backdoor ? >>>>> Optical tap on sub marine wire ? >>>>> > >>>>> > Le 1 aou^t 2013 ¨¤ 16:26, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com> >>>>> a ¨¦crit : >>>>> > >>>>> >> it will be interesting to me what will remain of the nsa >>>>> >> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money to the usa. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Detroit news are not very pink. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh Davenport wrote: >>>>> >>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister suggests that we aren't >>>>> >>> the slaves for nsa... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote: >>>>> >>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/ >>>>> >>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do >>>>> online' >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> From the presentation: >>>>> >>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in country X >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that has no >>>>> >>>> connection to known strong-selectors >>>>> >>>> **Anomalous events >>>>> >>>> ***Someone who is using encryption >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>>> >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>>> >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>>> >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>>> >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>>> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>>> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>>> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>>> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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