Message-ID: <CAH8yC8=Mp6x_5-ssP0kA-D2nbJ7iydNzO4fb-tDid9JX5M9UxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:54:55 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: silence_is_best@...hmail.com
Cc: Full Disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Mavericks...less then a bargin?

> A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....
Perhaps even better for the government spooks is the keychain:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/mobile-security/23030/apple-gets-pat-back-mavericks-icloud-keychain.
As Gutmann said, if it was MS, then headlines would be screaming
"Microsoft steals user's passwords".

> How we use your personal information
> ..
> How we use your personal information
It gets even better -  you did not even touch upon misuse. For those
who have not read Apple obscene Terms of Service, here's from a paper
decrying use of cloud services:

A layman’s analysis of License Agreements and Terms and Conditions
reveals how little security is afforded to your documents in cloud
storage and backup to the cloud. For those who don’t read them, one
popular platform has 142 separate documents covering Terms of
Conditions for its cloud alone.[1]  The documents discuss your rights
if the company (1) gives away your data, (2) shares you data with
partners, (3) looses your data, (4) provides your data to authorities
(sometimes without an order or warrant), (5) does not provide
reasonable skill or care, (6) commits willful misconduct or fraud, and
(7) acts with negligence or gross negligence. “Your rights” is
misleading since it is consent, and the document effectively states
you indemnify the company: “You agree to defend, indemnify and hold
[company], its affiliates, subsidiaries, directors, officers,
employees, agents, partners, contractors, and licensors harmless from
any claim or demand, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, made by a
third party.” [2]

[1] iCloud Terms and Conditions,
https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/ww/
[2] iCLOUD TERMS AND CONDITIONS,
https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terms.html


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:09 AM,  <silence_is_best@...hmail.com> wrote:
> A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....if you're planning to sync
> your shiny iDevice with Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud (syncing
> from your iDevice to your iPuter is now gone).  I suspect this is one of the
> reasons why Mavericks was a "free" upgrade.  Apple probably figured the $40
> they'd get from the sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with have
> your calendar and your contacts within easy reach.  Per their policy:
>
> What personal information we collect
>
> When you create an Apple ID, register your products, apply for commercial
> credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class
> at an Apple Retail Store, or participate in an online survey, we may collect
> a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone
> number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information.
>
> When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products,
> send gift certificates and products, or invite others to join you on Apple
> forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people
> such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number.
>
> How we use your personal information
>
> The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s
> latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It also
> helps us to improve our services, content, and advertising.
>
> Nice not to have choices ;)

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