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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 23:28:46 +0200
From: raccoon <>
Subject: Re: [FD] Bank of the West security contact?

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:30:25PM +0000, Sholes, Joshua wrote:
>> On 4/2/14, 4:01 PM, "Stefan Weimar" <> wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >Am 02. April schrieb raccoon:
>> >
>> >> This goes for all banks and is probably one of the reasons most ATMs
>> >> still run windows and are skimmable time after time by the simplest
>> >> exploits. 
>> >
>> >When you -- as a bank -- buy an ATM you get a preinstalled device with
>> >an underlying OS (Windows mostly) and a software stack consisting of
>> >drivers for the card reader, dispenser, keyboard an so on. On top of
>> >that you install your own application so the ATM will work with the
>> >software running in your datacenter.
> And how fast would those ATM manufacturers switch to a Linux or other
> offering if, say, Bank of America said "We won't buy an ATM with an easily
> skimmable reader or with an insecure OS on it?"
> Diebold, for example, has a market cap of less than $3B.  BoA is sitting
> around $182B.  With that much leverage, the big banks have NO excuse to
> just accept whatever crap the vendors shovel out the door.


>> [snip]
>> >That's not quite right. The manufacturer of the ATM chooses the OS.

Stefan, you're actually suggesting the ATM market dictate banking
security policy (and the budget for it)?

The banks are the ones ordering the machines they see fit for their
chosen model of security, and are coincidentally the same bunch of
critters actually defining those models. Which, in regards to for
example PCI-DSS is something the ATM manufacturers has to comply with,
as far as i know. 

Correct me if I'm wrong about that ecosystem.

-- r

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