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Date:	Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:41:28 -0500 (EST)
From:	Nikolai Joukov <>
To:	David Chinner <>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Secure Deletion and Trash-Bin Support for Ext4

> > As we promised on the linux-ext4 list on October 31, here is the patch
> > that adds secure deletion via a trash-bin functionality for ext4.  It is a
> > compromise solution that combines secure deletion with the trash-bin support
> > (the latter had been requested by even more people than the former :-).
> Given that almost all of the code for this uses vfs interfaces and
> only a couple of simple filesystem hooks, is there any reason for
> this being ext4 specific?  i.e. why aren't you hooking the vfs layer
> so we get a single undelete/secure delete implementation for all
> filesystems?

You are right.  Actually, we mentioned it as a benefit number 4 of this
approach in the original post.  Most of the code is not
file-system--specific and can be used by any other (all other?) file
system(s).  The only complication is that only ext2/3/4 and reiser file
systems already support the per-file secure deletion and undelete

Since ext4 is in early development now, we believe it'd be easier to get
such code into ext4 than into the main-line VFS.  If there's enough
interested among the kernel maintainers, we'd be happy to move this
functionality to the VFS and provide f/s hooks for

I guess, the right thing to do would be to move the common trash-bin
(tb.c and tb.h) code into the /fs and /include/linux directories.
Also, VFS would require just a couple of trivial changes to support
something like '-o trashbin' mount-time option for all file systems.
In addition, individual file systems may support per-file attributes for
this (e.g., ext2/3/4).

Since I just postponed my moving house (I am joining IBM soon) I think we
may have time to try it out this week.

Filesystems and Storage Laboratory,
Stony Brook University
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