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Date:	Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:38:54 -0700
From:	Andreas Dilger <>
To:	Frank Mayhar <>
Cc:, Michael Rubin <>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] Allow ext4 to run without a journal.

On Nov 04, 2008  13:21 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 17:40 -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > One option is to start with a wrapper like "ext4_handle_valid(handle)"
> > instead of checking "handle == NULL" everywhere.  Then, we could put
> > a magic value into "handle" and current->journal_info (maybe the
> > the ext3_sb_info pointer).  Put a magic value at the start of ext4_sb_info
> > that can be validated as never belonging to a journal handle, and then you
> > don't need to pass "sb" everywhere.  It also allows you to distinguish
> > between the "no handle was ever started" case and "running unjournalled".
> Okay, yeah, this sounds like the way to go.  I had seen the previous
> handle==NULL case but had put it aside to get a proof-of-concept
> implementation going as quickly as possible.  Your explanation here
> clears things up.

True - my inspection was from the "what is needed to make this acceptable
for inclusion".  The code definitely looks reasonable for performance
testing under different loads.

> My suggestion is, for the non-journalling flag, set the first field
> (which in the handle is a pointer to the transaction) to NULL to
> distinguish it from a real handle.  As far as I can tell from browsing
> the code the h_transaction pointer in a real handle should never be
> NULL.  Please let me know if this is not the case.  And maybe offer
> another suggestion...?

I'm not dead set on a "magic number" solution either, just something
I thought of while looking through the patch.  It would definitely
help find places where the code is not doing matching start/stop of
the handle.  That isn't important if you are doing a lot of testing
with journals enabled, but it 

> (As an aside, this particular situation is one of the reasons a friend
> of mine, Tom Van Vleck, strongly insists on putting magic numbers and
> versions into structures.  I'm not as insistent about it as he is but it
> certainly would have helped here.)
> > In any case, I'm not sure if this code is completely correct, since the
> > previous code allowed calling ext4_dirty_inode() without first starting
> > a journal handle, and now it would just silently do nothing and cause
> > filesystem corruption for the journalled case.
> So now handle==NULL will only refer to this case, correct?  And I infer
> from your comment that handle != NULL refers to a started handle, that
> is, a handle that has a non-NULL h_transaction pointer (for my
> purposes).

Right.  It might even be worthwhile to add in some debugging to see
if ext4_dirty_inode() is EVER called with handle != NULL, or if this
conditional behaviour is just a residual from days of yore.  It seems
the only callsite is from the VFS and there may never be a transaction
started at that point, I'm not sure.

Cheers, Andreas
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.

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