linux-ext4 - Re: periodic fsck was Re: [patch] ext2/3: document conditions when reliable operation is possible

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:05:55 -0500
From:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>
To:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
Cc:	david@...g.hm, Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@...hat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@....de>,
	Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@....de>,
	Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>, mtk.manpages@...il.com,
	rdunlap@...otime.net, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org, corbet@....net, jack@...e.cz
Subject: Re: periodic fsck was Re: [patch] ext2/3: document conditions when
	reliable operation is possible

On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 09:53:18AM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> Well, in SUSE11-or-so, distro stopped period fscks, silently :-(. I
> believed that it was really bad idea at that point, but because I
> could not find piece of documentation recommending them, I lost the
> argument.

It's an engineering trade-off.  If you have perfect memory that is
never has cosmic-ray hiccups, and hard drives that never write data to
the wrong place, etc. then you don't need periodic fsck's.

If you do have imperfect hardware, the question then is how imperfect
your hardware is, and how frequently it introduces errors.  If you
check too frequently, though, users get upset, especially when it
happens at the most inconvenient time (when you're trying to recover
from unscheduled downtime by rebooting); if you check too infrequently
then it doesn't help you too much since too much data gets damaged
before fsck notices.

So these days, what I strongly recommend is that people use LVM
snapshots, and schedule weekly checks during some low usage period
(i.e., 3am on Saturdays), using something like the e2croncheck shell
script.

						- Ted
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html