linux-ext4 - Re: [PATCH 13/35] fallthru: ext2 fallthru support

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Message-ID: <20100421092235.GB13114@shareable.org>
Date:	Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:22:35 +0100
From:	Jamie Lokier <jamie@...reable.org>
To:	Jan Blunck <jblunck@...e.de>
Cc:	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@...redi.hu>,
	Valerie Aurora <vaurora@...hat.com>, dwmw2@...radead.org,
	viro@...iv.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, tytso@....edu,
	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/35] fallthru: ext2 fallthru support

Jan Blunck wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 20, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> 
> > Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Valerie Aurora wrote:
> > > > I don't recall there being any technical reason not to look up the
> > > > real inode number.  I just wrote it that we because I was lazy.  So I
> > > > like returning the directory's d_ino better than a single magic
> > > > number, but I'd at least like to try returning the real inode number
> > > > too.
> > > 
> > > Note, "struct dirent" doesn't have d_dev, so you really can't return
> > > the "real" inode number, that's on a different filesystem and just a
> > > random number in the context of the the readdir in question.
> > 
> > Agree.  Does this inappropriate inode number for the union mount's
> > st_dev happen with stat() on the actual files too?  That could be bad.
> 
> No, for stat() you do a lookup and that is returning the correct
> dentry/inode for the filesystem the name is on.

Hmm.  I smell potential confusion for some otherwise POSIX-friendly
userspaces.

When I open /path/to/foo, call fstat (st_dev=2, st_ino=5678), and then
keep the file open, then later do a readdir which includes foo
(dir.st_dev=1, d_ino=1234), I'm going to immediately assume a rename
or unlink happened, close the file, abort streaming from it, refresh
the GUI windows, refresh application caches for that name entry, etc.

Because in the POSIX world I think open files have stable inode
numbers (as long as they are open), and I don't think that an open
file can have it's name's d_ino not match the inode number unless it's
a mount point, which my program would know about.

This plays into inotify, where you have to know if you are monitoring
every directory that contains a link to a file, to know if you need to
monitor the file itself directly instead.

Now I think it's fair enough that a union mount doesn't play all the
traditional rules :-)  C'est la vie.

This mismatch of (dir.st_dev,d_ino) and st_ino strongly resembles a
file-bind-mount.  Like bind mounts, it's quite annoying for programs
that like to assume they've seen all of a file's links when they've
seen i_nlink of them.

Bind mounts can be detected by looking in /proc/mounts.  st_dev
changing doesn't work because it can be a binding of the same
filesystem.

How would I go about detecting when a union mount's directory entry
has similar behaviour, without calling stat() on each entry?  Is it
just a matter of recognising a particular filesystem name in
/proc/mounts, or something more?

Thanks,
-- Jamie
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