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Message-ID: <20111206205940.GH7137@tux1.beaverton.ibm.com>
Date:	Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:59:40 -0800
From:	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...ibm.com>
To:	Andreas Dilger <adilger@...ger.ca>
Cc:	"Ted Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@...ger.ca>,
	Sunil Mushran <sunil.mushran@...cle.com>,
	Martin K Petersen <martin.petersen@...cle.com>,
	Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@...il.com>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Mingming Cao <cmm@...ibm.com>,
	Joel Becker <jlbec@...lplan.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
	Coly Li <colyli@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/22] ext4: Create bitmap checksum helper functions

On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 10:19:12AM -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2011-12-05, at 9:33, Ted Ts'o <tytso@....edu> wrote:
> > Note: it's strictly speaking not necessary to mix in the group and
> > s_csum_seed here.  It's useful for the inode table blocks (ITB's)
> > because the checksum for a particular ITB is located *in* the ITB
> > itself.  So if an ITB gets written to the wrong place, and in
> > particular, on top of another ITB, we want to be able to know which
> > cloned copy was written to the wrong place on disk.
> > 
> > But in the case of the inode and block allocation bitmaps, the
> > checksums are stored in the block group descriptors; so if the bitmap
> > is written to the wrong place (and on top of another bitmap), the
> > checksum will fail to verify, independent of whether we've mixed in
> > the fs-specific csum seed and the group number.
> > 
> > So I'd suggest dropping this, which will shave a few cycles off of the
> > checksum calculation, and it will also simplify the code since we
> > won't need this particular function.
> 
> I wouldn't mind keeping the group just to be consistent with all of the other
> checksums that are used in the filesystem, which are largely inside the
> structure being checked.
> 
> The s_uuid is definitely useful to keep as the seed because the block and
> inode bitmaps are not initialized at mke2fs time with uninit_bg, and it is
> possible to read a stale bitmap from disk that might belong to an earlier
> instance of the filesystem in case of a failed or misplaced write of the
> correct bitmap. 

Hmm... let's say you have bitmap B before mkfs and bitmap B' after mkfs + some
file writes.  B' is lost during write.  It would be bad if B != B' and
crc32c(B) == crc32c(B'), in which case you'd use the wrong bitmap.

I suppose having the fsuuid + groupnum would probably help to make the inputs
to crc32c() more distinct, which would be useful since iirc P(collision)
decreases as the Hamming distance increases.  I'm running a simulation to check
that claim.

--D

> That isn't important for e2fsck, since it doesn't really use the bitmaps, but
> it is important for the kernel not to use bad bitmaps and corrupt the
> filesystem further. 
> 
> Cheers, Andreas--
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