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Date:	Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:44:28 -0400
From:	Mike Snitzer <>
To:	"Ted Ts'o" <>
Cc:	device-mapper development <>,
	Lukáš Czerner <>,
	Spelic <>,,
Subject: Re: Ext4 and xfs problems in dm-thin on allocation and discard

On Tue, Jun 19 2012 at  3:58pm -0400,
Ted Ts'o <> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:28:56AM -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > 
> > That is an lvm2 BZ but there is further kernel work needed.
> > 
> > It should be noted that the "external origin" feature was added to the
> > thinp target with this commit: 
> >
> > 
> > It is start, but external origin is kept read-only and any writes
> > trigger allocation of new blocks within the thin-pool.
> Hmm... maybe this is what I had been told.  I thought there was some
> feature where you could take a read-only thinp snapshot of an external
> volume (i.e., a pre-existing LVM2 volume, or a block device), and then
> after that, make read-write snapshots using the read-only snapshot as
> a base?  Is that something that works today, or is planned?  Or am I
> totally confused?

The commit I referenced basically provides that capability.

> And if it is something that works today, is there a web site or
> documentation file that gives a recipe for how to use it if we want to
> do some performance experiments (i.e., it doesn't have to be a user
> friendly interface if that's not ready yet).

Documentation/device-mapper/thin-provisioning.txt has details on how to
use dmsetup to create a thin device that uses a read-only external
origin volume (so all reads to unprovisioned areas of the thin device
will be remapped to the external origin -- "external" meaning the volume
outside of the thin-pool).

The creation of a thin device w/ a read-only external origin gets you
started with a thin device that is effectively a snapshot of the origin
volume.  That thin device is read-write -- all writes are provisioned
from the thin-pool that is backing the thin device.  And you can take
snapshots (or recursive snapshots) of that thin device.
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