linux-ext4 - Re: How to use new "native 4k sector sized" HDD with ext4

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <20121031004304.GJ29378@dastard>
Date:	Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:43:04 +1100
From:	Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>
To:	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>
Cc:	Ashish Sangwan <ashishsangwan2@...il.com>, adilger@...ger.ca,
	sandeen@...hat.com, Namjae Jeon <linkinjeon@...il.com>,
	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to use new "native 4k sector sized" HDD with ext4

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:22:45AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 06:27:52PM +0530, Ashish Sangwan wrote:
> > 
> > In mkfs.xfs there is option "-s", using which, one can set the sector size.
> > What is the use case of this option?
> > 
> > Also, such option is not present for ext4. So, apart from aligining the
> >  partition on multiple of 8 sector numbers do we have to do something else
> >  for using 4k sectors?
> 
> The equivalent option for ext4 is -b (which we call the block size).
...
> > Is there any way to make sure that ext4 is indeed using 4k sectors?
> 
> You can use dumpe2fs to look at the file system parameters.  The
> confusion here is caused by the fact that xfs uses sector size where
> ext 2/3/4 follows the BSD Fast File System convention of using the
> terminology of "block size".

That's not really correct.  XFS also uses the uses filesystem blocks
just like ext2/3/4 for almost everything, data and metadata.

However, the XFS journal format has requirements for detecting torn
writes in journal recovery and hence needs to know the sector size
of the log device (i.e. the minimum guaranteed atomic IO size). The
key metadata in each AG (the AG headers) are also sector sized so
that they don't get corrupted by torn writes, either, so XFS also
needs to know the sector size of the data device if is using.

> XFS supports using the minimum sector size of 512 bytes by default
> since it means that if you are store large number of small files
> (i.e., only one or two 512 byte sectors), there is less wasted space.

That's not really correct, either. Just like ext4, XFS uses a 4k
block size by default, so the minimum allocated to file data is 4k.
The minimum FSB size that XFS supports is the sector size, but that
is not the default...

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@...morbit.com
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html