linux-ext4 - Re: [RFC 0/3] Add madvise(..., MADV

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Message-ID: <CALCETrU5+Rh9Ujw2tKdWb_fZ=idUKWNrj3qc+tOxmDh_5xCDZg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:44:40 -0700
From:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To:	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
Cc:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/3] Add madvise(..., MADV_WILLWRITE)

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com> wrote:
> On 08/09/2013 12:55 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
>> On Thu 08-08-13 15:58:39, Dave Hansen wrote:
>>> > I was coincidentally tracking down what I thought was a scalability
>>> > problem (turned out to be full disks :).  I noticed, though, that ext4
>>> > is about 20% slower than ext2/3 at doing write page faults (x-axis is
>>> > number of tasks):
>>> >
>>> > http://www.sr71.net/~dave/intel/page-fault-exts/cmp.html?1=ext3&2=ext4&hide=linear,threads,threads_idle,processes_idle&rollPeriod=5
>>> >
>>> > The test case is:
>>> >
>>> >    https://github.com/antonblanchard/will-it-scale/blob/master/tests/page_fault3.c
>>   The reason is that ext2/ext3 do almost nothing in their write fault
>> handler - they are about as fast as it can get. ext4 OTOH needs to reserve
>> blocks for delayed allocation, setup buffers under a page etc. This is
>> necessary if you want to make sure that if data are written via mmap, they
>> also have space available on disk to be written to (ext2 / ext3 do not care
>> and will just drop the data on the floor if you happen to hit ENOSPC during
>> writeback).
>
> I did try throwing a fallocate() in there to see if it helped.  It
> didn't appear to help.  Should it have?


Try reading all the pages after mmap (and keep the fallocate).

In theory, MAP_POPULATE should help some, but until Linux 3.9
MAP_POPULATE was a disaster, and I'm still a bit afraid of it.

--Andy


-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC
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