linux-ext4 - Re: Please help: Is ext4 counting trims as writes, or is something killing my SSD?

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Message-ID: <20130912150302.GA18334@jak-x230>
Date:	Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:03:02 +0200
From:	Julian Andres Klode <jak@...-linux.org>
To:	Calvin Walton <calvin.walton@...stin.ca>
Cc:	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Please help: Is ext4 counting trims as writes, or is something
 killing my SSD?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:54:03AM -0400, Calvin Walton wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 16:18 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I installed my new laptop on Saturday and setup an ext4 filesystem
> > on my / and /home partitions. Without me doing much file transfers,
> > I noticed today:
> > 
> > jak@...-x230:~$ cat /sys/fs/ext4/sdb3/lifetime_write_kbytes 
> > 342614039
> > 
> > This is on a 100GB partition. I used fstrim multiple times. I analysed
> > the increase over some time today and issued an fstrim in between:
> <snip>
> > So it seems that ext4 counts the trims as writes? I don't know how I could
> > get 300GB of writes on a 100GB partition -- of which only 8 GB are occupied
> > -- otherwise.
> 
> The way fstrim works is that it allocates a temporary file that fills
> almost the entire free space on the partition. I believe it does this
> with fallocate in order to ensure that space for the file is actually
> reserved on disc (but it does not get written to!). It then looks up
> where on disc the file's reserved space is, and sends a trim command to
> the drive to free that space. Afterwards, it deletes the temporary file.
> 
> So what you are seeing means means that it's probably just an issue with
> the write accounting, where the blocks reserved by the fallocate are
> counted as writes.

I can also confirm that using fallocate to allocate a 1G file (and deleting
it afterwards without modifying it in between; with discard enabled [I enabled
this now after the log for testing]) also increases the write number by 1G.

> 
> > My smart values for my SSD are:
> > 
> > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
> > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
> > 241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0003   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       1494
> 
> You should be able to confirm this by checking the 'Total_LBAs_Written'
> attribute before and after doing the fstrim; it should either not go up,
> or go up only be a small amount. Although to be honest, I'm not sure
> what this is counting - if that raw value is actually LBAs, that would
> only account for 747KiB of writes! I guess it's probably a count of
> erase blocks or something - what model is the SSD?

It was 1493 some time before the trim. The disk is a PLEXTOR PX-128M5. 

-- 
Julian Andres Klode  - Debian Developer, Ubuntu Member

See http://wiki.debian.org/JulianAndresKlode and http://jak-linux.org/.
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