Message-ID: <53BD4251.3070501@kelvatek.com>
Date:	Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:23:29 +0100
From:	Grzegorz Sikorski <g.sikorski@...vatek.com>
To:	Lukáš Czerner <lczerner@...hat.com>
CC:	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about data integrity on SD cards

We are using 2.6.37 version and we may have some issues with underlying 
mmc-host driver. We also tested our setup on newer kernels as well as 
different media with similar results, but I was not involved in these 
tests, so cannot give any details straight away.

But my main question was partially answered by you. I just need a 
confirmation that design of our system should in general be OK, as we 
may expect random power downs occasionally. So do you think it is 
possible (in general) to build embedded system with SQLite3 database on 
EXT4 filesystem on SD card that is not fragile on unexpected power 
sequence? Do you know what type of SD card would be recommended in this 
case? Are our mounting options fine?

Thanks,
Greg

On 09/07/14 13:51, Lukáš Czerner wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2014, Grzegorz Sikorski wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 13:17:25 +0100
>> From: Grzegorz Sikorski <g.sikorski@...vatek.com>
>> To: linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org
>> Subject: Question about data integrity on SD cards
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In our project we use SQLite3 database on EXT4 filesystem partition on microSD
>> card. On unexpected power failure/system crash or just hardware reset, we
>> observe occasional database corruption. SQLite3 developers claim their part is
>> free of risk of database corruption, as long as fsync call is doing it's job
>> properly. We tried several SD cards, including industrial grade which should
>> have proper firmware (at least their manufacturers say there is no risk of
>> data corruption on power loss). We tried several different mount settings and
>> after some reading we found, that the safest (and slowest) option (that should
>> never fail, as far as we understand) would be like:
>> rw,relatime,barrier=1,journal_checksum,nodelalloc,data=journal,usrquota
>> In spite of all that, we still observe random database corruption on
>> power-down/reset. Can you confirm there is no problem in EXT4 filesystem?
> There have been reports on SD cards not working correctly on power
> failure, most likely due to flush not working correctly. It was
> mentioned several times in this huge thread (concerning different
> problem, but maybe related)
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg43974.html
>
> At this point we do not know about any problems with ext4 file
> system regarding fsync functionality. However you have not said
> which kernel you are using.
>
> Also, have you tried reproducing it on a different hardware, let's
> say SSD, or spinning disk ? Do you have any SD card which seems to
> be working reliably across power failures, or did you see that
> behaviour with all SD cards you've tested ?
>
> Thanks!
> -Lukas
>
>> Best regards,
>> Greg
>>
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