linux-ext4 - Re: [RFC v3 1/4] fs: Add generic file system event notifications

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Message-ID: <20150619000341.GM10224@dastard>
Date:	Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:03:41 +1000
From:	Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>
To:	Beata Michalska <b.michalska@...sung.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [RFC v3 1/4] fs: Add generic file system event notifications

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:25:08AM +0200, Beata Michalska wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 01:06 AM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 03:09:30PM +0200, Beata Michalska wrote:
> >> Introduce configurable generic interface for file
> >> system-wide event notifications, to provide file
> >> systems with a common way of reporting any potential
> >> issues as they emerge.
> >>
> >> The notifications are to be issued through generic
> >> netlink interface by newly introduced multicast group.
> >>
> >> Threshold notifications have been included, allowing
> >> triggering an event whenever the amount of free space drops
> >> below a certain level - or levels to be more precise as two
> >> of them are being supported: the lower and the upper range.
> >> The notifications work both ways: once the threshold level
> >> has been reached, an event shall be generated whenever
> >> the number of available blocks goes up again re-activating
> >> the threshold.
> >>
> >> The interface has been exposed through a vfs. Once mounted,
> >> it serves as an entry point for the set-up where one can
> >> register for particular file system events.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Beata Michalska <b.michalska@...sung.com>
> > 
> > This has massive scalability problems:
....
> > Have you noticed that the filesystems have percpu counters for
> > tracking global space usage? There's good reason for that - taking a
> > spinlock in such a hot accounting path causes severe contention.
....
> > Then puts the entire netlink send path inside this spinlock, which
> > includes memory allocation and all sorts of non-filesystem code
> > paths. And it may be inside critical filesystem locks as well....
> > 
> > Apart from the serialisation problem of the locking, adding
> > memory allocation and the network send path to filesystem code
> > that is effectively considered "innermost" filesystem code is going
> > to have all sorts of problems for various filesystems. In the XFS
> > case, we simply cannot execute this sort of function in the places
> > where we update global space accounting.
> > 
> > As it is, I think the basic concept of separate tracking of free
> > space if fundamentally flawed. What I think needs to be done is that
> > filesystems need access to the thresholds for events, and then the
> > filesystems call fs_event_send_thresh() themselves from appropriate
> > contexts (ie. without compromising locking, scalability, memory
> > allocation recursion constraints, etc).
> > 
> > e.g. instead of tracking every change in free space, a filesystem
> > might execute this once every few seconds from a workqueue:
> > 
> > 	event = fs_event_need_space_warning(sb, <fs_free_space>)
> > 	if (event)
> > 		fs_event_send_thresh(sb, event);
> > 
> > User still gets warnings about space usage, but there's no runtime
> > overhead or problems with lock/memory allocation contexts, etc.
> 
> Having fs to keep a firm hand on thresholds limits would indeed be
> far more sane approach though that would require each fs to
> add support for that and handle most of it on their own. Avoiding
>> this was the main rationale behind this rfc.
> If fs people agree to that, I'll be more than willing to drop this
> in favour of the per-fs tracking solution. 
> Personally, I hope they will.

I was hoping that you'd think a little more about my suggestion and
work out how to do background threshold event detection generically.
I kind of left it as "an exercise for the reader" because it seems
obvious to me.

Hint: ->statfs allows you to get the total, free and used space
from filesystems in a generic manner.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@...morbit.com
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