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Message-ID: <20150903183657.GB10390@birch.djwong.org> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:57 -0700 From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@...cle.com> To: Richard Yao <ryao@...too.org> Cc: Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, "linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>, linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>, Raymond Jennings <shentino@...il.com>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>, Albino B Neto <bino@...eup.net> Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Ext3 removal, quota & udf fixes On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 06:22:25PM +0000, Richard Yao wrote: > What happens with this patch if /dev/$DEVICE is ext4 formatted and someone runs > `mount -t ext3 /dev/$DEVICE $MNT`? > > This should fail with the ext3 driver, but it looks like it will work fine with > CONFIG_EXT4_USE_FOR_EXT23 because ext3_fs_type maps to ext4_mount. My system is > not built with CONFIG_EXT4_USE_FOR_EXT23 (long story short: it uses a RHEL6 > derived config on Linux 4.1) and I do not have time to rebuild it to verify my > suspicion, but I imagine there are others on the list that could trivially check > this. On 4.2 with CONFIG_EXT4_USE_FOR_EXT23: # mke2fs -T ext4 /dev/sda # mount /dev/sda /mnt -t ext3 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so # lsmod|grep ext ext4 630784 0 jbd2 126976 1 ext4 mbcache 20480 1 ext4 # dmesg <snip> [74559.632979] EXT4-fs (sda): couldn't mount as ext3 due to feature incompatibilities > Also, new kernels are typically drop-in replacements on older userlands. An edge > case that no one appears to have mentioned is the possibility of using a newer > kernel on an older system where the initramfs generator might only include ext3, > which this would break. It might not be terrible to write a small dummy ext3 > module whose only purpose is to depend on ext4 and load it into the kernel on > those systems. That way initramfs software that properly grabs module > dependencies will include the ext4 module and `modprobe ext3` will do what it Well, if it goes looking for ext3.ko directly it will fail, but... # modinfo ext3 filename: /lib/modules/4.2.0-mcsum/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko license: GPL description: Fourth Extended Filesystem author: Remy Card, Stephen Tweedie, Andrew Morton, Andreas Dilger, Theodore Ts'o and others alias: fs-ext4 alias: ext3 alias: fs-ext3 <snip> I don't know about RHEL initrd scripts, but Ubuntu's use some modprobe trickery which ensures that it picks up the correct ext4.ko. It does something similar to this: # modprobe --ignore-install --quiet --show-depends ext3 | sed -e 's/^insmod //g' /lib/modules/4.2.0-mcsum/kernel/fs/mbcache.ko /lib/modules/4.2.0-mcsum/kernel/fs/jbd2/jbd2.ko /lib/modules/4.2.0-mcsum/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko to pick up the modules for the initramfs. Not sure what the other distros do, though. > always did in terms of making ext3 file systems mountable. I suppose that we > could use aliases, but given that there is a compatibility shim for CONFIG_EXT3 > to avoid surprises, a dummy module seems reasonable. > > These are the only two things that I see preventing ext4 from being a drop-in > replacement for ext3. > > That said, my only connection with ext3/ext4 is that I am one of the genkernel > developers (Gentoo's Linux initramfs/kernel genreation framework/scripts), so > my opinion might not matter much here, but I am also in favor of killing ext3 in > favor of CONFIG_EXT4_USE_FOR_EXT23. :) --D > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in > the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
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