linux-ext4 - Re: [PATCH 0/9] add ext4 per-inode DAX flag

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Message-ID: <20170907211303.GA23212@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Thu, 7 Sep 2017 15:13:03 -0600
From:   Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc:     Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com>,
        Eric Sandeen <sandeen@...hat.com>,
        Lukas Czerner <lczerner@...hat.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@...cle.com>,
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@...ger.ca>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
        linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
        linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/9] add ext4 per-inode DAX flag

On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 01:54:45PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Ross Zwisler
> <ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 09:12:35PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> >> On 9/5/17 5:35 PM, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> >> > The original intent of this series was to add a per-inode DAX flag to ext4
> >> > so that it would be consistent with XFS.  In my travels I found and fixed
> >> > several related issues in both ext4 and XFS.
> >>
> >> Hi Ross -
> >>
> >> hch had a lot of reasons to nuke the dax flag from orbit, and we just
> >> /disabled/ it in xfs due to its habit of crashing the kernel...
> >
> > Ah, sorry, I wasn't CC'd on those threads and missed them.  For any interested
> > bystanders:
> >
> > https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg57840.html
> > https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/msg09831.html
> > https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/msg10124.html
> >
> >> so a couple questions:
> >>
> >> 1) does this series pass hch's "test the per-inode DAX flag" fstest?
> >
> > Nope, it has the exact same problems as the XFS per-inode DAX flag.
> >
> >> 2) do we have an agreement that we need this flag at all, or is this
> >>    just a parity item because xfs has^whad a per-inode flag?
> >
> > It was for parity, and because it allows admins finer grained control over
> > their system.  Basically all things discussed in response to Lukas's original
> > patch in the first link above.
> 
> I think it's more than parity. When pmem is slower than page cache it
> is actively harmful to have DAX enabled globally for a filesystem. So,
> not only should we push for per-inode DAX control, we should also push
> to deprecate the mount option. I agree with Christoph that we should
> try to automatically and transparently enable DAX where it makes
> sense, but we also need a finer-grained mechanism than a mount flag to
> force the behavior one way or the other.

Yep, agreed.  I'll play with how to make this work after I've sorted out all
the data corruptions I've found. :)