linux-ext4 - Re: Problems with VM_MIXEDMAP removal from /proc/<pid>/smaps

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Message-ID: <20181004100406.GE6682@linux-x5ow.site>
Date:   Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:04:06 +0200
From:   Johannes Thumshirn <jthumshirn@...e.de>
To:     Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
Cc:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
        Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@...el.com>,
        linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-xfs <linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Problems with VM_MIXEDMAP removal from /proc/<pid>/smaps

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 06:44:07PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Wed 03-10-18 08:13:37, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:07 AM Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz> wrote:
> > > WRT per-inode DAX property, AFAIU that inode flag is just going to be
> > > advisory thing - i.e., use DAX if possible. If you mount a filesystem with
> > > these inode flags set in a configuration which does not allow DAX to be
> > > used, you will still be able to access such inodes but the access will use
> > > page cache instead. And querying these flags should better show real
> > > on-disk status and not just whether DAX is used as that would result in an
> > > even bigger mess. So this feature seems to be somewhat orthogonal to the
> > > API I'm looking for.
> > 
> > True, I imagine once we have that flag we will be able to distinguish
> > the "saved" property and the "effective / live" property of DAX...
> > Also it's really not DAX that applications care about as much as "is
> > there page-cache indirection / overhead for this mapping?". That seems
> > to be a narrower guarantee that we can make than what "DAX" might
> > imply.
> 
> Right. So what do people think about my suggestion earlier in the thread to
> use madvise(MADV_DIRECT_ACCESS) for this? Currently it would return success
> when DAX is in use, failure otherwise. Later we could extend it to be also
> used as a hint for caching policy for the inode...

Hmm apart from Dan's objection that it can't really be used for a
query, isn't madvise(2) for mmap(2)?

But AFAIU (from looking at the xfs code, so please correct me if I',
wrong), DAX can be used for the traditional read(2)/write(2) interface
as well.

There is at least:

xfs_file_read_iter()
`-> if (IS_DAX(inode))
    `-> xfs_file_dax_read()
        `->dax_iomap_rw()

So IMHO something on an inode granularity would make more sens to me.

Byte,
	Johannes
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