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Date:   Tue, 1 Oct 2019 11:17:00 -0700
From:   Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@...el.com>
To:     Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>
Cc:     linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org, linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org,
        linux-mm@...ck.org, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>,
        Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        John Hubbard <jhubbard@...dia.com>,
        Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
Subject: Re: Lease semantic proposal

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 04:17:59PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-09-23 at 12:08 -0700, Ira Weiny wrote:
> > Since the last RFC patch set[1] much of the discussion of supporting RDMA with
> > FS DAX has been around the semantics of the lease mechanism.[2]  Within that
> > thread it was suggested I try and write some documentation and/or tests for the
> > new mechanism being proposed.  I have created a foundation to test lease
> > functionality within xfstests.[3] This should be close to being accepted.
> > Before writing additional lease tests, or changing lots of kernel code, this
> > email presents documentation for the new proposed "layout lease" semantic.
> > 
> > At Linux Plumbers[4] just over a week ago, I presented the current state of the
> > patch set and the outstanding issues.  Based on the discussion there, well as
> > follow up emails, I propose the following addition to the fcntl() man page.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Ira
> > 
> > [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/9/1043
> > [2] https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/9/1062
> > [3] https://www.spinics.net/lists/fstests/msg12620.html
> > [4] https://linuxplumbersconf.org/event/4/contributions/368/
> > 
> > 
> 
> Thank you so much for doing this, Ira. This allows us to debate the
> user-visible behavior semantics without getting bogged down in the
> implementation details. More comments below:

Thanks.  Sorry for the delay in response.  Turns out this email was in my
spam...  :-/  I'll need to work out why.

> 
> > <fcntl man page addition>
> > Layout Leases
> > -------------
> > 
> > Layout (F_LAYOUT) leases are special leases which can be used to control and/or
> > be informed about the manipulation of the underlying layout of a file.
> > 
> > A layout is defined as the logical file block -> physical file block mapping
> > including the file size and sharing of physical blocks among files.  Note that
> > the unwritten state of a block is not considered part of file layout.
> > 
> > **Read layout lease F_RDLCK | F_LAYOUT**
> > 
> > Read layout leases can be used to be informed of layout changes by the
> > system or other users.  This lease is similar to the standard read (F_RDLCK)
> > lease in that any attempt to change the _layout_ of the file will be reported to
> > the process through the lease break process.  But this lease is different
> > because the file can be opened for write and data can be read and/or written to
> > the file as long as the underlying layout of the file does not change.
> > Therefore, the lease is not broken if the file is simply open for write, but
> > _may_ be broken if an operation such as, truncate(), fallocate() or write()
> > results in changing the underlying layout.
> > 
> > **Write layout lease (F_WRLCK | F_LAYOUT)**
> > 
> > Write Layout leases can be used to break read layout leases to indicate that
> > the process intends to change the underlying layout lease of the file.
> > 
> > A process which has taken a write layout lease has exclusive ownership of the
> > file layout and can modify that layout as long as the lease is held.
> > Operations which change the layout are allowed by that process.  But operations
> > from other file descriptors which attempt to change the layout will break the
> > lease through the standard lease break process.  The F_LAYOUT flag is used to
> > indicate a difference between a regular F_WRLCK and F_WRLCK with F_LAYOUT.  In
> > the F_LAYOUT case opens for write do not break the lease.  But some operations,
> > if they change the underlying layout, may.
> > 
> > The distinction between read layout leases and write layout leases is that
> > write layout leases can change the layout without breaking the lease within the
> > owning process.  This is useful to guarantee a layout prior to specifying the
> > unbreakable flag described below.
> > 
> > 
> 
> The above sounds totally reasonable. You're essentially exposing the
> behavior of nfsd's layout leases to userland. To be clear, will F_LAYOUT
> leases work the same way as "normal" leases, wrt signals and timeouts?

That was my intention, yes.

> 
> I do wonder if we're better off not trying to "or" in flags for this,
> and instead have a separate set of commands (maybe F_RDLAYOUT,
> F_WRLAYOUT, F_UNLAYOUT). Maybe I'm just bikeshedding though -- I don't
> feel terribly strongly about it.

I'm leaning that was as well.  To make these even more distinct from
F_SETLEASE.

> 
> Also, at least in NFSv4, layouts are handed out for a particular byte
> range in a file. Should we consider doing this with an API that allows
> for that in the future? Is this something that would be desirable for
> your RDMA+DAX use-cases?

I don't see this.  I've thought it would be a nice thing to have but I don't
know of any hard use case.  But first I'd like to understand how this works for
NFS.

> 
> We could add a new F_SETLEASE variant that takes a struct with a byte
> range (something like struct flock).

I think this would be another reason to introduce F_[RD|WR|UN]LAYOUT as a
command.  Perhaps supporting smaller byte ranges could be added later?

> 
> > **Unbreakable Layout Leases (F_UNBREAK)**
> > 
> > In order to support pinning of file pages by direct user space users an
> > unbreakable flag (F_UNBREAK) can be used to modify the read and write layout
> > lease.  When specified, F_UNBREAK indicates that any user attempting to break
> > the lease will fail with ETXTBUSY rather than follow the normal breaking
> > procedure.
> > 
> > Both read and write layout leases can have the unbreakable flag (F_UNBREAK)
> > specified.  The difference between an unbreakable read layout lease and an
> > unbreakable write layout lease are that an unbreakable read layout lease is
> > _not_ exclusive.  This means that once a layout is established on a file,
> > multiple unbreakable read layout leases can be taken by multiple processes and
> > used to pin the underlying pages of that file.
> > 
> > Care must therefore be taken to ensure that the layout of the file is as the
> > user wants prior to using the unbreakable read layout lease.  A safe mechanism
> > to do this would be to take a write layout lease and use fallocate() to set the
> > layout of the file.  The layout lease can then be "downgraded" to unbreakable
> > read layout as long as no other user broke the write layout lease.
> > 
> 
> Will userland require any special privileges in order to set an
> F_UNBREAK lease? This seems like something that could be used for DoS. I
> assume that these will never time out.

Dan and I discussed this some more and yes I think the uid of the process needs
to be the owner of the file.  I think that is a reasonable mechanism.

> 
> How will we deal with the case where something is is squatting on an
> F_UNBREAK lease and isn't letting it go?

That is a good question.  I had not considered someone taking the UNBREAK
without pinning the file.

> 
> Leases are technically "owned" by the file description -- we can't
> necessarily trace it back to a single task in a threaded program. The
> kernel task that set the lease may have exited by the time we go
> looking.
> 
> Will we be content trying to determine this using /proc/locks+lsof, etc,
> or will we need something better?

I think using /proc/locks is our best bet.  Similar to my intention to report
files being pinned.[1]

In fact should we consider files with F_UNBREAK leases "pinned" and just report
them there?

Ira

[1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/9/1043

> 
> > </fcntl man page addition>
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>
> 

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