linux-ext4 - Re: [PATCH v6 01/19] mm: Return void from various readahead functions

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Date:   Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:52:48 -0800
From:   John Hubbard <jhubbard@...dia.com>
To:     Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
CC:     <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-btrfs@...r.kernel.org>,
        <linux-erofs@...ts.ozlabs.org>, <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
        <linux-f2fs-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net>,
        <cluster-devel@...hat.com>, <ocfs2-devel@....oracle.com>,
        <linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 01/19] mm: Return void from various readahead functions

On 2/18/20 1:21 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 01:05:29PM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
>> This is an easy review and obviously correct, so:
>>
>>     Reviewed-by: John Hubbard <jhubbard@...dia.com>
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> Thoughts for the future of the API:
>>
>> I will add that I could envision another patchset that went in the
>> opposite direction, and attempted to preserve the information about
>> how many pages were successfully read ahead. And that would be nice
>> to have (at least IMHO), even all the way out to the syscall level,
>> especially for the readahead syscall.
> 
> Right, and that was where I went initially.  It turns out to be a
> non-trivial aount of work to do the book-keeping to find out how many
> pages were _attempted_, and since we don't wait for the I/O to complete,
> we don't know how many _succeeded_, and we also don't know how many
> weren't attempted because they were already there, and how many weren't
> attempted because somebody else has raced with us and is going to attempt
> them themselves, and how many weren't attempted because we just ran out
> of memory, and decided to give up.
> 
> Also, we don't know how many pages were successfully read, and then the
> system decided to evict before the program found out how many were read,
> let alone before it did any action based on that.
> 


That is even worse than I initially thought. :)


> So, given all that complexity, and the fact that nobody actually does
> anything with the limited and incorrect information we tried to provide
> today, I think it's fair to say that anybody who wants to start to do
> anything with that information can delve into all the complexity around
> "what number should we return, and what does it really mean".  In the


Yes, and now that you mention it, it's really tough to pick a single number
that answers the right questions that the user space caller might have. whew.


> meantime, let's just ditch the complexity and pretense that this number
> means anything.
> 

Definitely. Thanks for the notes here.


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard
NVIDIA