linux-ext4 - Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] Killing LSFMMBPF

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Date:   Fri, 6 Mar 2020 17:28:58 +0100
From:   Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@...ntu.com>
To:     James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>
Cc:     Josef Bacik <josef@...icpanda.com>,
        lsf-pc <lsf-pc@...ts.linuxfoundation.org>,
        Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org,
        Btrfs BTRFS <linux-btrfs@...r.kernel.org>, bpf@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org, linux-block@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] Killing LSFMMBPF

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 08:15:10AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 09:35 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
> > Many people have suggested this elsewhere, but I think we really need
> > to seriously consider it.  Most of us all go to the Linux Plumbers
> > conference.  We could accomplish our main goals with Plumbers without
> > having to deal with all of the above problems.
> 
> [I'm on the Plumbers PC, but not speaking for them, just making general
> observations based on my long history helping to run Plumbers]
> 
> Plumbers has basically reached the size where we can't realistically
> expand without moving to the bigger venues and changing our evening
> events ... it's already been a huge struggle in Lisbon and Halifax
> trying to find a Restaurant big enough for the closing party.
> 
> The other reason for struggling to keep Plumbers around 500 is that the
> value of simply running into people and having an accidental hallway
> track, which is seen as a huge benefit of plumbers, starts diminishing.
>  In fact, having a working hallway starts to become a problem as well
> as we go up in numbers (plus in that survey we keep sending out those
> who reply don't want plumbers to grow too much in size).
> 
> The other problem is content: you're a 3 day 4 track event and we're a
> 3 day 6 track event.  We get enough schedule angst from 6 tracks ... 10
> would likely become hugely difficult.  If we move to 5 days, we'd have
> to shove the Maintainer Summit on the Weekend (you can explain that one
> to Linus) but we'd still be in danger of the day 4 burn out people used
> to complain about when OLS and KS were co-located.
> 
> So, before you suggest Plumbers as the magic answer consider that the
> problems you cite below don't magically go away, they just become
> someone else's headache.
> 
> That's not to say this isn't a good idea, it's just to execute it we'd
> have to transform Plumbers and we should have a community conversation
> about that involving the current Plumbers PC before deciding it's the
> best option.

It's unlikely that this could still be done given that we're also facing
a little uncertainty for Plumbers. It seems like a lot of additional
syncing would be needed.
But the main concern I have is that co-locating both is probably quite
challenging for anyone attending both especially when organizing
something like a microconference.