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Message-ID: <20200707140120.GJ7606@magnolia> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:01:20 -0700 From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@...cle.com> To: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@...e.de> Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@...r.kernel.org, fdmanana@...il.com, dsterba@...e.cz, david@...morbit.com, cluster-devel@...hat.com, linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org, linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org Subject: Re: always fall back to buffered I/O after invalidation failures, was: Re: [PATCH 2/6] iomap: IOMAP_DIO_RWF_NO_STALE_PAGECACHE return if page invalidation fails On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 08:49:52AM -0500, Goldwyn Rodrigues wrote: > On 13:57 07/07, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 07:43:46AM -0500, Goldwyn Rodrigues wrote: > > > On 9:53 01/07, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 02:23:49PM -0500, Goldwyn Rodrigues wrote: > > > > > From: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@...e.com> > > > > > > > > > > For direct I/O, add the flag IOMAP_DIO_RWF_NO_STALE_PAGECACHE to indicate > > > > > that if the page invalidation fails, return back control to the > > > > > filesystem so it may fallback to buffered mode. > > > > > > > > > > Reviewed-by: Darrick J. Wong <darrick.wong@...cle.com> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@...e.com> > > > > > > > > I'd like to start a discussion of this shouldn't really be the > > > > default behavior. If we have page cache that can't be invalidated it > > > > actually makes a whole lot of sense to not do direct I/O, avoid the > > > > warnings, etc. > > > > > > > > Adding all the relevant lists. > > > > > > Since no one responded so far, let me see if I can stir the cauldron :) > > > > > > What error should be returned in case of such an error? I think the > > > > Christoph's message is ambiguous. I don't know if he means "fail the > > I/O with an error" or "satisfy the I/O through the page cache". I'm > > strongly in favour of the latter. Indeed, I'm in favour of not invalidating > > the page cache at all for direct I/O. For reads, I think the page cache > > should be used to satisfy any portion of the read which is currently > > That indeed would make reads faster. How about if the pages are dirty > during DIO reads? > Should a direct I/O read be responsible for making sure that the dirty > pages are written back. Technically direct I/O reads is that we are > reading from the device. The filemap_write_and_wait_range should persist that data, right? > > cached. For writes, I think we should write into the page cache pages > > which currently exist, and then force those pages to be written back, > > but left in cache. > > Yes, that makes sense. > If this is implemented, what would be the difference between O_DIRECT > and O_DSYNC, if any? Presumably a direct write would proceed as it does today if there's no pagecache at all? --D > -- > Goldwyn
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