linux-ext4 - Re: futher decouple DAX from block devices

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Date:   Thu, 4 Nov 2021 11:10:19 -0700
From:   Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:     Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Cc:     "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...nel.org>,
        Eric Sandeen <sandeen@...deen.net>,
        Mike Snitzer <snitzer@...hat.com>,
        Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@...el.com>,
        device-mapper development <dm-devel@...hat.com>,
        linux-xfs <linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux NVDIMM <nvdimm@...ts.linux.dev>,
        linux-s390 <linux-s390@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-erofs@...ts.ozlabs.org,
        linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: futher decouple DAX from block devices

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 10:34:17AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > /me wonders, are block devices going away?  Will mkfs.xfs have to learn
> > how to talk to certain chardevs?  I guess jffs2 and others already do
> > that kind of thing... but I suppose I can wait for the real draft to
> > show up to ramble further. ;)
>
> Right now I've mostly been looking into the kernel side.  An no, I
> do not expect /dev/pmem* to go away as you'll still need it for a
> not DAX aware file system and/or application (such as mkfs initially).
>
> But yes, just pointing mkfs to the chardev should be doable with very
> little work.  We can point it to a regular file after all.

Note that I've avoided implementing read/write fops for dax devices
partly out of concern for not wanting to figure out shared-mmap vs
write coherence issues, but also because of a bet with Dave Hansen
that device-dax not grow features like what happened to hugetlbfs. So
it would seem mkfs would need to switch to mmap I/O, or bite the
bullet and implement read/write fops in the driver.