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Date:   Fri, 3 Feb 2023 16:29:39 +0000
From:   Matthew Wilcox <>
To:     David Laight <>
Cc:     Andreas Dilger <>,
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        Hugh Dickins <>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Fix a minor POSIX conformance problem

On Fri, Feb 03, 2023 at 04:23:32PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Matthew Wilcox
> > "The system shall always zero-fill any partial page at the end of an
> > object. Further, the system shall never write out any modified portions
> > of the last page of an object which are beyond its end. References
> > within the address range starting at pa and continuing for len bytes to
> > whole pages following the end of an object shall result in delivery of
> > a SIGBUS signal."
> > 
> >
> It also says (down at the bottom of the rational):
> "The mmap() function can be used to map a region of memory that is larger
> than the current size of the object. Memory access within the mapping but
> beyond the current end of the underlying objects may result in SIGBUS
> signals being sent to the process. The reason for this is that the size
> of the object can be manipulated by other processes and can change at any
> moment. The implementation should tell the application that a memory
> reference is outside the object where this can be detected; otherwise,
> written data may be lost and read data may not reflect actual data in the
> object."
> There are a lot of 'may' in that sentence.
> Note that it only says that 'data written beyond the current eof may be
> lost'.
> I think that could be taken to take precedence over the zeroing clause
> in ftruncate().

How can the _rationale_ (explicitly labelled as informative) for one
function take precedence over the requirements for another function?
This is nonsense.

> I'd bet a lot of beer that the original SYSV implementation (on with the
> description is based) didn't zero the page buffer when ftruncate()
> increased the file size.
> Whether anything (important) actually relies on that is an interesting
> question!
> 	David
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