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Message-ID: <YBqPp53EM/E+o5TA@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 12:57:27 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com> Cc: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@...gle.com>, Julien Thierry <jthierry@...hat.com>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@...nel.org>, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>, linux-efi <linux-efi@...r.kernel.org>, linux-hardening@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>, Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@...nel.org>, Michal Marek <michal.lkml@...kovi.net>, raphael.gault@....com, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>, clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@...glegroups.com>, Bill Wendling <morbo@...gle.com>, swine@...gle.com, yonghyun@...gle.com Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 12/17] gcc-plugins: objtool: Add plugin to detect switch table on arm64 On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 06:14:14PM -0600, Josh Poimboeuf wrote: > > Sure, but this is what production unwinders do, and they don't require > > compiler plugins, right? > > What do you mean by "production unwinders"? Generally unwinders rely on > either frame pointers or DWARF, but (without validation) those aren't > robust enough for live patching in the kernel, so I'm not sure how this > is relevant. Not to mention that DWARF and consequently it's unders are horribly large, complex and above all fragile things. There's a reason ORC got invented, DWARF is simlpy unacceptable and inadequate. Now, one avenue that has been mentioned in the past, but I've not seen recently, is to have objtool use DWARF as input to help it understand the code. At least in userspace we can rely on DWARF libs. But I'm fairly sure people aren't jumping up and down for having to always build their kernel with DWARFs on, compile speed etc..
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