linux-hardening - Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm, arm64: In-kernel support for memory-deny-write-execute (MDWE)

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Thu, 21 Apr 2022 10:41:43 -0700
From:   Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
To:     Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>
Cc:     Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@...il.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
        Lennart Poettering <lennart@...ttering.net>,
        Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbyszek@...waw.pl>,
        Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Eric Biederman <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@....com>,
        Mark Brown <broonie@...nel.org>,
        Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@....com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-abi-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net,
        linux-hardening@...r.kernel.org, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        Salvatore Mesoraca <s.mesoraca16@...il.com>,
        Igor Zhbanov <izh1979@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] mm, arm64: In-kernel support for
 memory-deny-write-execute (MDWE)

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 06:24:21PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:42:23AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 04:35:15PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > Do we want the "was PROT_WRITE" or we just reject mprotect(PROT_EXEC) if
> > > the vma is not already PROT_EXEC? The latter is closer to the current
> > > systemd approach. The former allows an mprotect(PROT_EXEC) if the
> > > mapping was PROT_READ only for example.
> > > 
> > > I'd drop the "was PROT_WRITE" for now if the aim is a drop-in
> > > replacement for BPF MDWE.
> > 
> > I think "was PROT_WRITE" is an important part of the defense that
> > couldn't be done with a simple seccomp filter (which is why the filter
> > ended up being a problem in the first place).
> 
> I would say "was PROT_WRITE" is slightly more relaxed than "is not
> already PROT_EXEC". The seccomp filter can't do "is not already
> PROT_EXEC" either since it only checks the mprotect() arguments, not the
> current vma flags.
> 
> So we have (with sub-cases):
> 
> 1. Current BPF filter:
> 
>    a)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC);	// fails
> 
>    b)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC|PROT_BTI);	// fails
>
>    c)	mmap(PROT_READ);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);		// fails
>
>    d)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);		// fails
> 
> 2. "is not already PROT_EXEC":
> 
>    a)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC);	// fails
> 
>    b)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC|PROT_BTI);	// passes
> 
>    c)	mmap(PROT_READ);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);		// fails
>
>    d)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);		// fails
> 
> 3. "is or was not PROT_WRITE":
> 
>    a)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC);	// fails
> 
>    b)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC|PROT_BTI);	// passes
> 
>    c)	mmap(PROT_READ);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);		// passes
> 
>    d)	mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ);
> 	mprotect(PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC);		// fails

[edited above to show each case]

restated what was already summarized:
Problem is 1.b. 2 and 3 solve it. 3 is more relaxed (c passes).

> If we don't care about 3.c, we might as well go for (2). I don't mind,
> already went for (3) in this series. I think either of them would not be
> a regression on MDWE, unless there is some test that attempts 3.c and
> expects it to fail.

I should stop arguing for a less restrictive mode. ;) It just feels weird
that the combinations are API-mediated, rather than logically defined:
I can do PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC with mmap but not mprotect under 2. As
opposed to saying "the vma cannot be executable if it is or ever was
writable". I find the latter much easier to reason about as far as the
expectations of system state.

So, I'd still prefer 3, as that was the _goal_ of the systemd MDWE
seccomp filter, but yes, 2 does provide the same protection while
allowing BTI.

-- 
Kees Cook