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Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 09:19:56 -0700 From: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> To: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com> Cc: benh@...nel.crashing.org, christophe.leroy@...roup.eu, mark.rutland@....com, mpe@...erman.id.au, paulus@...ba.org, tglx@...utronix.de, Xiu Jianfeng <xiujianfeng@...wei.com>, linux-hardening@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org Subject: Re: [PATCH -next] powerpc: add support for syscall stack randomization On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 07:23:46PM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote: > Excerpts from Xiu Jianfeng's message of May 5, 2022 9:19 pm: > > Add support for adding a random offset to the stack while handling > > syscalls. This patch uses mftb() instead of get_random_int() for better > > performance. > > Hey, very nice. Agreed! :) > > [...] > > @@ -82,6 +83,7 @@ notrace long system_call_exception(long r3, long r4, long r5, > > > > kuap_lock(); > > > > + add_random_kstack_offset(); > > regs->orig_gpr3 = r3; > > > > if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PPC_IRQ_SOFT_MASK_DEBUG)) > > This looks like the right place. I wonder why other interrupts don't > get the same treatment. Userspace can induce the kernel to take a > synchronous interrupt, or wait for async ones. Smaller surface area > maybe but certain instruction emulation for example could result in > significant logic that depends on user state. Anyway that's for > hardening gurus to ponder. I welcome it being used for any userspace controllable entry to the kernel! :) Also, related, have you validated the result using the LKDTM test? See tools/testing/selftests/lkdtm/stack-entropy.sh > > > @@ -405,6 +407,7 @@ interrupt_exit_user_prepare_main(unsigned long ret, struct pt_regs *regs) > > > > /* Restore user access locks last */ > > kuap_user_restore(regs); > > + choose_random_kstack_offset(mftb() & 0xFF); > > > > return ret; > > } > > So this seems to be what x86 and s390 do, but why are we choosing a > new offset for every interrupt when it's only used on a syscall? > I would rather you do what arm64 does and just choose the offset > at the end of system_call_exception. > > I wonder why the choose is separated from the add? I guess it's to > avoid a data dependency for stack access on an expensive random > function, so that makes sense (a comment would be nice in the > generic code). How does this read? I can send a "real" patch if it looks good: diff --git a/include/linux/randomize_kstack.h b/include/linux/randomize_kstack.h index 1468caf001c0..ad3e80275c74 100644 --- a/include/linux/randomize_kstack.h +++ b/include/linux/randomize_kstack.h @@ -40,8 +40,11 @@ DECLARE_PER_CPU(u32, kstack_offset); */ #define KSTACK_OFFSET_MAX(x) ((x) & 0x3FF) -/* - * These macros must be used during syscall entry when interrupts and +/** + * add_random_kstack_offset - Increase stack utilization by previously + * chosen random offset + * + * This should be used in the syscall entry path when interrupts and * preempt are disabled, and after user registers have been stored to * the stack. */ @@ -55,6 +58,24 @@ DECLARE_PER_CPU(u32, kstack_offset); } \ } while (0) +/** + * choose_random_kstack_offset - Choose the random offsset for the next + * add_random_kstack_offset() + * + * This should only be used during syscall exit when interrupts and + * preempt are disabled, and before user registers have been restored + * from the stack. This is done to frustrate attack attempts from + * userspace to learn the offset: + * - Maximize the timing uncertainty visible from userspace: if the + * the offset is chosen at syscall entry, userspace has much more + * control over the timing between chosen offsets. "How long will we + * be in kernel mode?" tends to be more difficult to know than "how + * long will be be in user mode?" + * - Reduce the lifetime of the new offset sitting in memory during + * kernel mode execution. Exposures of "thread-local" (e.g. current, + * percpu, etc) memory contents tends to be easier than arbitrary + * location memory exposures. + */ #define choose_random_kstack_offset(rand) do { \ if (static_branch_maybe(CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_KSTACK_OFFSET_DEFAULT, \ &randomize_kstack_offset)) { \ -- Kees Cook
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