linux-hardening - Re: [PATCH 03/10] scsi: NCR5380: Replace snprintf() with the safer scnprintf() variant

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Message-ID: <f5bef33da6c50e5fd067577f16f460025fe9a601.camel@linux.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:25:57 -0500
From: James Bottomley <jejb@...ux.ibm.com>
To: Lee Jones <lee@...nel.org>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-hardening@...r.kernel.org, Finn Thain <fthain@...ux-m68k.org>,
        Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@...il.com>,
        "Martin K. Petersen"
 <martin.petersen@...cle.com>, drew@...orado.edu,
        Tnx to
 <Thomas_Roesch@...maus.de>, linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/10] scsi: NCR5380: Replace snprintf() with the safer
 scnprintf() variant

On Mon, 2024-02-19 at 15:23 +0000, Lee Jones wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 10:29 +0000, Lee Jones wrote:
> > > On Thu, 08 Feb 2024, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Lee,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your patch!
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 9:48 AM Lee Jones <lee@...nel.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > There is a general misunderstanding amongst engineers that
> > > > > {v}snprintf() returns the length of the data *actually*
> > > > > encoded into the destination array.  However, as per the C99
> > > > > standard {v}snprintf() really returns the length of the data
> > > > > that *would have been* written if there were enough space for
> > > > > it.  This misunderstanding has led to buffer-overruns in the
> > > > > past.  It's generally considered safer to use the
> > > > > {v}scnprintf() variants in their place (or even sprintf() in
> > > > > simple cases).  So let's do that.
> > > > 
> > > > Confused... The return value is not used at all?
> > > 
> > > Future proofing.  The idea of the effort is to rid the use
> > > entirely.
> > > 
> > >  - Usage is inside a sysfs handler passing PAGE_SIZE as the size
> > >    - s/snprintf/sysfs_emit/
> > >  - Usage is inside a sysfs handler passing a bespoke value as the
> > > size
> > >    - s/snprintf/scnprintf/
> > >  - Return value used, but does *not* care about overflow
> > >    - s/snprintf/scnprintf/
> > >  - Return value used, caller *does* care about overflow
> > >    - s/snprintf/seq_buf/
> > >  - Return value not used
> > >    - s/snprintf/scnprintf/
> > > 
> > > This is the final case.
> > 
> > To re-ask Geert's question: the last case can't ever lead to a bug
> > orproblem, what value does churning the kernel to change it
> > provide? As Finn said, if we want to deprecate it as a future
> > pattern, put it in checkpatch.
> 
> Adding this to checkpatch is a good idea.
> 
> What if we also take Kees's suggestion and hit all of these found in
> SCSI in one patch to keep the churn down to a minimum?

That doesn't fix the churn problem because you're still changing the
source.  For ancient drivers, we keep the changes to a minimum to avoid
introducing inadvertent bugs which aren't discovered until months
later.  If there's no actual bug in the driver, there's no reason to
change the code.

Regards,

James