linux-kernel - Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org

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Message-Id: <200607241743.k6OHhZUp006153@laptop13.inf.utfsm.cl>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:43:35 -0400
From:	"Horst H. von Brand" <vonbrand@....utfsm.cl>
To:	Al Boldi <a1426z@...ab.com>
cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org 

Al Boldi <a1426z@...ab.com> wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > Hans Reiser wrote:
> > > As the other poster mentioned, they went off to startups, and did not
> > > become part of our community.  How much of that was because their
> > > contributions were more hassled than welcomed, I cannot say with
> > > certainty, I can only say that they were discouraged by the difficulty
> > > of getting their stuff in, and this was not as it should have been.
> > > They were more knowledgeable than we were on the topics they spoke on,
> > > and this was not recognized and acknowledged.
> > >
> > > Outsiders are not respected by the kernel community.  This means we miss
> > > a lot.

> > Anyone who fails to respect the kernel development process, the process
> > of building consensus, is turn not respected, flamed, and/or ignored.
> >
> > If you don't respect us, why should we respect you?

> Respect what?  The process or the content?

> Rejecting content due to disrespect for process guidelines would be rather 
> sad.

But necessary, as the available manpower sadly isn't infinite.

> If the content is worth its salt, it should be accepted w/o delay,

Ideally...

>                                                                    then 
> modified to comply with the process guidelines as necessary.

... and pray who is going to do that, while making sure that the needed
cleanup and adjustments don't break it? Surely the original author is in
the best position to do this, moreover by writing directly in the accepted
way even to avoid needless work.

>                                                               It's what the 
> GPL allows, afterall.

No. The GPL allows you to branch the kernel and create your own kernel with
Reiser 4 included, it doesn't say that you have the right to get your
patches into Linus' tree. [Thankfully. I've seen such a mass of junk
proposed here over the years...]
-- 
Dr. Horst H. von Brand                   User #22616 counter.li.org
Departamento de Informatica                     Fono: +56 32 654431
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