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Date:	Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:22:17 -0400
From:	"Albert Cahalan" <acahalan@...il.com>
To:	"Albert Cahalan" <acahalan@...il.com>, ak@...e.de, mingo@...e.hu,
	arjan@...radead.org, akpm@...l.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	roland@...hat.com
Subject: Re: ptrace bugs and related problems

On 7/31/06, Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@...ian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 08:08:35PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> > The execve event is unreliable anyway.
> > Thus, it is necessary to use syscall tracing.
>
> You keep saying this "unreliable" thing, and I don't think it means
> what you think it means.  It should always be delivered.  When it
> isn't, there's a bug.  I don't know of any, unless you're talking about
> the thread group issue you just reported.

Yeah, I figure there is a bug.

It'd be great if you could reproduce the bug.
My setup:

2-core CPU
64-bit kernel (2.6.17 FC5, next-to-latest revision)
32-bit target app (assembly - no C library)
32-bit debugger

The target app does CLONE_THREAD. The child does
that again, then execve. The first and last threads spin
in a loop, either burning CPU time or doing the pause
system call. (the middle thread does the execve)

I see the messages just fine on many 32-bit non-SMP
systems that I tested with: Gentoo 2.6.16, Gentoo 2.6.13,
plain 2.6.16, maybe 2.6.17.7... mostly in VMWare.
Perhaps it is the SMP, the 64-bit, or Fedora being broken.
I can not say, and most likely can not investigate more.

I hope that helps.
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