linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Relative lazy atime

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Message-Id: <1154797475.3054.79.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
Date:	Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:04:34 +0200
From:	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...ux.intel.com>
To:	Dave Kleikamp <shaggy@...tin.ibm.com>
Cc:	Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
	Valerie Henson <val_henson@...ux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
	Akkana Peck <akkana@...llowsky.com>,
	Mark Fasheh <mark.fasheh@...cle.com>,
	Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@...el.com>,
	Chris Wedgwood <cw@...f.org>, jsipek@...sunysb.edu,
	Al Viro <viro@....linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Relative lazy atime

On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 11:58 -0500, Dave Kleikamp wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 14:25 +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:36:22PM -0700, Valerie Henson wrote:
> > > (Corrected Chris Wedgwood's name and email.)
> > > 
> > > My friend Akkana followed my advice to use noatime on one of her
> > > machines, but discovered that mutt was unusable because it always
> > > thought that new messages had arrived since the last time it had
> > > checked a folder (mbox format).  I thought this was a bummer, so I
> > > wrote a "relative lazy atime" patch which only updates the atime if
> > > the old atime was less than the ctime or mtime.  This is not the same
> > > as the lazy atime patch of yore[1], which maintained a list of inodes
> > > with dirty atimes and wrote them out on unmount.
> > 
> > Another idea, similar to how atime updates work in xfs currently might
> > be interesting:  Always update atime in core, but don't start a
> > transaction just for it - instead only flush it when you'd do it anyway,
> > that is another transaction or evicting the inode.
> 
> Hmm.  That adds a cost to evicting what the vfs considers a clean inode.

the vfs shouldn't consider it clean, it should consider it "atime-only
dirty".. with that many of the vfs interaction issues ought to go away

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