linux-kernel - Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory)

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Message-ID: <44FF1EE4.3060005@in.ibm.com>
Date:	Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:47:56 +0530
From:	Balbir Singh <balbir@...ibm.com>
To:	Kirill Korotaev <dev@...ru>
Cc:	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, Srivatsa <vatsa@...ibm.com>,
	CKRM-Tech <ckrm-tech@...ts.sourceforge.net>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@...ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@...ru>, devel@...nvz.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@...itas.com>,
	Matt Helsley <matthltc@...ibm.com>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@...l.ru>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...sign.ru>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@...nvz.org>
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user
 memory)

Kirill Korotaev wrote:
> Balbir Singh wrote:
>> Kirill Korotaev wrote:
>>
>>> Core Resource Beancounters (BC) + kernel/user memory control.
>>>
>>> BC allows to account and control consumption
>>> of kernel resources used by group of processes.
>>>
>>> Draft UBC description on OpenVZ wiki can be found at
>>> http://wiki.openvz.org/UBC_parameters
>>>
>>> The full BC patch set allows to control:
>>> - kernel memory. All the kernel objects allocatable
>>> on user demand should be accounted and limited
>>> for DoS protection.
>>> E.g. page tables, task structs, vmas etc.
>>
>> One of the key requirements of resource management for us is to be able to
>> migrate tasks across resource groups. Since bean counters do not associate
>> a list of tasks associated with them, I do not see how this can be done
>> with the existing bean counters.
> It was discussed multiple times already.
> The key problem here is the objects which do not _belong_ to tasks.
> e.g. IPC objects. They exist in global namespace and can't be reaccounted.
> At least no one proposed the policy to reaccount.
> And please note, IPCs are not the only such objects.
> 
> But I guess your comment mostly concerns user pages, yeah?

Yes.

> In this case reaccounting can be easily done using page beancounters
> which are introduced in this patch set.
> So if it is a requirement, then lets cooperate and create such functionality.
> 

Sure, let's cooperate and talk.

> So for now I see 2 main requirements from people:
> - memory reclamation
> - tasks moving across beancounters
> 

Some not quite so urgent ones - like support for guarantees. I think this can
be worked out as we make progress.

> I agree with these requirements and lets move into this direction.
> But moving so far can't be done without accepting:
> 1. core functionality
> 2. accounting
> 

Some of the core functionality might be a limiting factor for the requirements.
Lets agree on the requirements, I think its a great step forward and then
build the core functionality with these requirements in mind.

> Thanks,
> Kirill
> 
-- 

	Balbir Singh,
	Linux Technology Center,
	IBM Software Labs
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